October 28, 2021 Planning Commission/HRA Commission Concurrent Meeting

October 28, 2021 Planning Commission/HRA Commission Concurrent Meeting

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 28TH, 2021 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, LONG-RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES SOME OF THE ITEMS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FINAL DECISION AUTHORITY AND OTHERS THE PLANNG OR T CITYOUNCIL LL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY APPOINTED FOR UP TO THREE YEARS AT A TIME FOR A MAXIMUM OF SIX YEARS.

SO TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS IN FRONT OF US. TWO OF THOSE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARING AND BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN TONIGHT, LET'S STAND UP AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS O NATION UNDEROD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. AND BEFORE WE BEGIN TONIGHT, I'LL ASK MR. MICROGRID IF YOU CAN GIVE OUR INSTRUCTIONS FOR FOLKS FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME. >> SURE. MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE IN PERSON TONIGHT AND THE PUBLIC CAN TESTIFY AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN PERSON BUT THEY CAN ALSO TESTIFY REMOTELY IF THEY PREFER AND TO DO SO YOU WOULD CALL ONE 888 SEVEN FOUR TWO FIVE ZERO NINE FIVE AND THEN ONCE YOU ON LINE THERE IN THE CONFERENCE CODE EIGHT FOUR SIX ONE ZERO ZERO ONE ZERO NINE EIGHT AND POUND.

SO WE WILL HAVE THIS NUMBER SCROLLING ACROSS THE SCREEN DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS TONIGHT AND ANYBODY CAN CALL IN AND TESTIFY REMOTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MARK . WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE WHICH WAS THE SMALL TOWN REVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND COMMISSION MEMBERS WE DID RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION COMMISSIONER ROHMAN MR. CHAIR MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM ONE TO NOVEMBER 18TH. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE HAVE A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN.

THANK YOU, ERIC. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IN FRONT OF US TO GET CONTINUE TO ZERO TO ONE ONE EIGHT TWO TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? NOT SEEING ANY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AY AY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH IS PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAN AT FORTY THREE OR ONE OVERLOOK DRIVE. MR. JOHNSON, YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR THANK YOU CHAIR SOLBERG. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAN FOR YOU THIS EVENING. IT'S A ONE TO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOT SPLIT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 43 ONE OVERLOOK DRIVE JUST TO THE WEST OF FRANCE AVENUE DOWN ON OVERLOOK DOWN JUST NORTH OF COLEMAN LAKE, THE MINNESOTA RIVER. IT'S A VERY LONG RECTANGULAR PROPERTY. IT'S THREE POINT FIVE ACRES IN SIZE APPROXIMATELY THE PROPOSED SPLIT WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT TWO HUNDRED FEET AT THE ROADWAY SO THEY'D BE CREATING TO ONE HUNDRED FOOT LOTS THE REQUIRED MINIMUM LOT WITHIN THIS AREA BASED ON OUR MEDIAN SITE WITH REQUIREMENTS IS EIGHTY TWO FEET.

SO THEY HE T MAINTAIN THAT LOT WITH UP THROUGH A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE PROPERTY. THESE LANDS FAR EXCEED THE MINIMUM LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT SO NO ISSUE THERE. ALL THE STRUCTURES THAT BACKS TO THE EXISTING HOME THAT WOULD BE RETAINED ON THE EASTERN ALL THE STRUCTURE SETBACKS MEET CODE THE THERE'S NO CURRENT PLAN FOR DISTURBANCE OR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT THIS TIME. THIS IS BEING DONE BY THE CURRENT OWNER TO SELL THE WESTERN LOT TO A A DIFFERENT PARTY AT A FUTURE DATE. THE ONLY ISSUE I'LL BRING UP HERE IS THAT THERE IS A CURRENTLY A NONCONFORMING SETBACK TO THE RETAINING WALL AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE HOUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IN KIND OF THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE SLIDE. SO THEY WILL HAVE TO ADJUST THAT INTERIOR PLOT LINE JUST SLIGHTLY IN ORDER TO MEET THAT SETBACK REQUIREMENT. THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN DOCUMENT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THEY'RE PROVIDING THE NECESSARY AND MINIMUM REQUIRED DRAINAGE UTILITY EASEMENTS AGAIN JUST SPLITTING IT INTO TWO SITES. JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. OUR CODE DOES REQUIRE SIDEWALKS FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS ALTHOUGH IT DOES GIVE THE COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT AND IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO AN EXISTING PUBLIC SIDEWALK WHICH IS THE CASE HERE.

STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPROACH IN CASE OF THAT APPROACH IN THIS CASE RATHER THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO PAY A PARK DEDICATION FEE FOR ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. THE SITE IS SUBJECT TO TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE WHICH REQUIRES IT'S VALID FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD FOLLOWING ACCORDING TO THE PLANT. SO THEY HAVE TO TRACK ANY TREE REMOVAL DURING THATIME WOULD NEED TO BE CONSULTED WITH THE CITY FORESTER. BOTH PROPERTIES AND THE EXISTING PROPERTY ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE BLOOD PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT WHICH INCLUDES SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND PROTECTIONS FOR TREE REMOVAL GRADING OTHER ACTIVITY BELOW A CERTAIN CONTOUR KIND OF JUST SOUTH OF THE HOUSE AND THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THE UTILITY SERVICE LINES THAT WOULD SERVE A FUTURE HOME ON THE WESTERN LOT COULD CROSS EACH OTHER'S PROPERTIES A LITTLE BIT IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF FUTURE HOME CONSTRUCTION.

BUT THE PPERTY WOULD BE WELL ADVISED TO ENTER INTO A PRIVATE UTILITY AGREEMENT JUST TO GIVE BOTH HOUSES THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THOSE SYSTEMS AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL PRIOR TO PUBLICATION OF THE PACKET IT WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION. THE SECOND EMAIL WE RECEIVED EARLIER THIS WEEK DID NOT CONCERN ABOUT TREE REMOVAL. YOU HAVE THAT AS A HAND OUT IN FRONT OF YOU AND WAS EMAILED TO YOU AS WELL. BUT OTHER THAN THAT BOTH LET'S MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE IS EVENING. MAXINE ROSHINI. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER OTHERWISE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON US? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ROHMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. JOHNSON, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION AND FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AFTER THE TWO YEAR TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STOPS A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER FROM REMOVING ALL TREES ON A LOT? YEAH, CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER ROHMAN THERE WOULD NOT BE ABOVE OUTSIDE OF THE BLUFF PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT.

SO THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD IS A FEATURE OF OUR TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE CURRENTLY. THANK YOU. AND THIS M BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR MR. MACGREGOR BUT I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING REGARDING THE TREE PRESERVATION EITHER THIS YEAR WORKPLAN OR MAYBE NEXT YEAR. I SEEM TO RECALL A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TOPIC. HMM. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER ROHMAN ,WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OK? WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON TWENTY TWENTY TWO WORK PLAN SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN . YOU COULD DEFINITELY BRING IT UP. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER KIRKETON . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. JOHNSON, THE PARK DEDICATION FEEDLY DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL TENANTS VERSUS PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS ARE WE BEING OVERLY BURDENSOME ON A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER VERSUS COMMERCIAL ENTITY? YEAH.

CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER COOKTOWN THERE IS A DIFFERENT RATE SO THEY PAY A DIFFERENT FEE IF YOU'RE DOING A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LIKELY TO BE PAYING A HIGHER RATE THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ALTHOUGH MULTIFAMILY YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF UNITS THEN YOU'D BE PAYING A MUCH HIGHER FEE. SO IT'S HARD TO DO AN EQUIVALENCY BUT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS PAYING A HIGHER RATE PER UNIT THAN A COMMERCIAL USE BECAUSE THAT GENERATES MORE PARK USE THAN A COMMERCIAL LAND USE US BUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE ASSESSING DIVISION IS THE ONE WHO COLLECTS THAT FEE AND TRACKS IT. BUT IT'S IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIFTY SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS PER DWELLING UNIT FOR ONE PARK FOR ONE PARK FEE FOR A HOUSE.

THANK YOU. RENT ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? >> COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANKS MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU BRING THE OVERVIEW UH UH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE OH THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS UM YOU KNOW, WITH THE DIVISION OF THESE UH TWO OR THIS PROPERTY NO TWO, UM, THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE WITH IN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH PROPERTIES UM WITH THE PROPERTY BEING SO NARROW, WILL IT BE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT BUILDING ANOTHER HOME ON THE PROPERTY EITHER FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE EAST OR WEST OR EVEN NORTH TO SOUTH.

YEAH CHURCH GOLTZMAN IT'LL THEY'LL CERTAINLY WILL BE AN ADEQUATE BUILDING H I MEAN OVER 90 FEET IS WIDER THAN A LOT OF THE FLATS IN BLOOMINGTON SO THEY CERTAINLY WILL HAVE AN ADEQUATE BUILDING PAD. I'LL JUST HAVE TO MEET THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. OK YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON SITE? ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. UM, MR.

CHENEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM AT ALL BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THE OK, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGN THIS ITEM D M MARK , DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME CHECK IN WITH MR. PEASE ON THE PHONE. MR. PEASE, DO WE HAVE ANY CALLERS ON THE LINE? THERE ARE NO CALLERS ON THE LINE. PROCEED. PROCEED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION MEMBERS SEEING NOBODY, UH, IN UH, FACILITY HERE TONIGHT NOR ONLINE CHAIN OF MOTION CLOSE UP KAREN. >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER OLBRICH IS MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, WE'VE GOT A SECOND. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND IN FRONT OF US CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? NOT SEEING ANY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I GUY. ALL RIGHT. MOTIONARRI PLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED ON THIS ITEM DISCUSSION PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS I'LL JUST THROW IN MY TWO CENTS.

>> I WALK BY THIS QUITE OFTEN . IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. THE ONLY THING HERE WAS REALLY THE SET BACKS TO THE RETAINING WALL AS LONG AS THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE REVISIONS HERE TO THE PLOT, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE IDEA OF MOVING FORWARD ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER ROHMAN. THANKOU, MR. CHA,N CASE TWO ZERO TWO ONE DASH ONE NINE SIX HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT OF ROSINE ADDITION SPLITTING ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT LOCATED AT FOUR THREE ZERO ONE OVERLOOK DRIVE INTO TWO LOTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. ALL RIGHT COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE HAVE A MOTION IN FRONT OF US.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND IN FRONT OF US TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAYOUT OF ROSHINI ADDITION SPLIT IN ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT LOCATED AT FORTY THREE OR ONE OVERLOOK DRIVE INTO TWO LOTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? NOT SEEING ANY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AY AY ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES THAT MOVES FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL NOVEMBER 8TH ON THE CONSENT AGENDA MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS CODE AMENDMENT FOR HIGH DENSITY MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. >> MR JOHNSON, THANK YOU. THAN. AIRMAN OF TH CMISSION SWAPPED MY SWAP MY SLIDES HERE. SORRY FOR THAT. YES. WE'VE ASKED FOR YOU. OH YEAH. ITEM THREE IT IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT SUBMITTED BY UNITED PROPERTIES. THEY SEEK TO CREATE A NEW USE DESIGNATION AND MAKE IT A PERMITTED USE IN TWO OF OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THE PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT WOULD CREATE THE USE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES HIGH DENSITY AND IT WOULD DESIGNATE THIS USE AS A PERMITTED USE AND SEE ONE IN C THREE WHICH IS TWO OF OUR FREEWAY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

UNITED PROPERTIES IS SEEKING TO CREATE A HIGH DENSITY MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY SOMEWHERE IN BLOOMINGTON. THIS IS THE DEFINITION ITSELF. I'LL READ FOR YOU AND JUST A NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR YOUR BENEFIT YOU DO HAVE A HANDOUT ON YOUR DESK WHICH IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF. THERE WAS SOME CONFLICTING INFORMATION IN THE STAFF REPORT WHICH REFERENCED A PRIOR VERSION OF THE APPLICANTS REQUESTED CITY ORDINANCE AS IT PERTAINS SPECIFICALLY TO REPAIR.

BUT THE CORRECT VERSION IS HERE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU AND WAS CORRECT IN THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE PACKET BUT IT SAYS THE SALE BROKERING I BELIEVE IT'S RESALE HOLD ON OR LEASE OF NEW USE MOTOR VEHICLES AND A MULTILEVEL FULLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE ON THE SITE WITH A FLURRY A RATIO OF POINT SIX OR HIGHER WERE VEHICLES FOR SALE RESALE OR LEASE ARE STORED AND DISPLAYED WITHIN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING ON THE PREMISES OF THE BUSINESS EXCEPT FOR THREE MORE MOTOR VEHICLES THAT MAY BE STARTER DISPLAYED OUTDOORS. THE USE MAY ALSO INCLUDE MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR LIMITED TO TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF TOTAL AREA.

NO MORE THAN THREE OVERHEAD SERVICE STORES MAY BE VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC STREET WITH NO MORE THAN TWO OVERHEAD SERVICE STORES WITHIN 50 FEET OF EACH OTHER. ALL COMPONENT USES REQUIRE PARKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY CODE SECTION PERTAINING TO FREE PARKING. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. ONE IS THAT IT HAS TO BE A MULTILEVEL FULLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE THAT'S A CRITICAL FEATURE OF THIS USE THE POINT SIX MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO IS A FAIRLY HIGH FAT OUR CURRENT F.R. FOR NEWUTO SALES FACILITIES IN THE C ONE DISTRICT FOR EXAMPLE IS ZERO POINT FOUR. SO THIS IS HIGHER THAN WHAT A TYPICAL DEALERSHIP WOULD HAVE TO BE IN BLOOMINGTON THE THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY.

CERTAINLY WHEN YOU THINK OF CLASS ONE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITIES YOU'RE THINKING OF LARGE AMOUNTS OF SURFACE PARKING WHERE THEY STORE OUT OF INVENTORY THAT'S VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO THIS HAS A SOME ALLOWANCE FOR THAT BUT NOT NOT A GREAT DEAL. THIRTY THIRTY CARS AND IT DOES ALLOW FOR SE VEHICLE RAIR ALTHGH I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT IS LIMITED TO MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR SO REPAIR IN OUR CODE IS BROKEN UP INTO WHAT TYPES OF REPAIR ACTIVITIES YOU DO. MAJOR REPAIR INCLUDES LARGE OR MORE INTENSE ENGINE WORK AS WELL AS AUTOBODY REPAIR. MINOR REPAIR INCLUDES THE MAJORITY OF OTHER ACTIVITIES AUTOBODY AND THE MAJOR ENGINE REPAIR WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHIN THIS FACILITY AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THE ASPECT OF THE REPAIR SPECIFICALLY TO THE AMOUNT FLOO AREA AND T AMOUNT OF OVERHEAD SERVICE STORES.

THIS WAS THE CHANGE THAT CAUSED THE PREVIOUS CONTINUANCE ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT HAD TO DO WITH THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT REPAIR . ONE SECOND HERE. OK, SO OUR CITY CODE CURRENTLY HAS FIVE TYPES OF MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR. THEY'RE LISTED THERE ON THE SCREEN THE TYPE THAT IS MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING A SIX TYPE IS THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND CLOSED USE AT THAT TIME THAT WAS CREATED IN 2006HENHE CITY WA GETTING A LOT OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITIES IN THE CITY AND THE CITY. GLEN ACTUALLY WORKED ON THAT ORDINANCE I BELIEVE SO IT COULD GIVE YOU EVEN MORE DETAIL THAN I CAN. BUT THE IDEA WITHIN CLOSED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS THAT WE COULD INCENTIVIZE BY ALLOWING IT IN MORE DISTRICTS YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE MORE OF THESE FACILITIES TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED AS OPPOSED TO THE LOTS OF AUTO INVENTORY ON SURFACE PARKING. NOT MANY OF THE NONE OF THOSE USES I BELIEVE HAVE COME TO FRUITION BUT THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND IT. SO THIS NEW USE IS MORE SIMILAR TO INCLOSED THE TRADE OFF TO ALLOWINGHESE THIRTY MOTOR VEHICLES TO BE STORED OUTSIDE IS THAT YOU GET THEM YOU'RE GUARANTEED TO GET A MULTISTORY FACILITY WITH A MINIMUM THAT THEY ARE OF POINT SIX.

SO THE REASON WHY WE IMPLEMENT THOSE HIGH OFFERS IS WE WANT TO AVOID AN UNDERUTILIZATION OF LAND ON THESE KEY SITES ALONG THE 494 THE FREEWAY. SO THAT'S REALLY THE KEY FEATURE HERE. THIS JUST SHOWS THE USE TABLE AS SHOWN IN THE ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN IT WOULD MAKE THIS USE PERMITTED IN THE C ONE AND C THREE ZONING DISTRICTS FREEWAY OFFICE AND SERVICE AND FREEWAY COMMERCL CTER RESPECTIVELY. THIS IS WHERE THOSE SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ZONING DESIGNATION ARE LOCATED.

THERE'S ELEVEN SITES THEY'RE ALL LOCATED ALONG 494 CURRENTLY IN BETWEEN NORMAN DALE AND AROUND LYNDALE AVENUE ,AN AMERICAN BOUNDED BY AMERICAN BOULEVARD TO THE ZONING DISTRICTS THEMSELVES. THEY BOTH ARE INTENDED TO BE COMMERCIALS ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT BENEFIT FROM PROXIMITY TO FREEWAYS AND HAVE HIGH VISIBILITY. SO CERTAINLY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR HH DENSITY AUTO SALES AND THEN THEY ALSO BOTH SEEK TO AVOID UNDERUTILIZATION OF LAND. THOSE ARE BOTH IN THE PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENTS. I HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE IF ANYONE WANTS TO REVIEW THEM. SO FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE THIS USE WORKS IT MAKES SENSE AND C ONE AND C THREE C ONE IS ACTUALLY THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS REALLY INTENDED FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITIES AND THEN C THREE IS INTENDED AS A HIGH INTENSITY RETAIL TYPE DISTRICT NEAR THE FREEWAY .

UM SO ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES OF THERE IS KIND OF A NOT A WRESTLING BUT THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER TO MAKE IT A PERMITTED VERSUS A CONDITIONAL USE. JUST FOR THE RECORD, ALL OF OUR OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USES ARE PERMITTED USES AND THIS DISTRICT AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT THE CITY DEVELOPED A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE LIST OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THESE FACILITIES ALREADY AND THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS NEW USE AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TABLE ON THE SLIDE PREVIOUSLY HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT PARTICULAR CODE SECTION LISTED BY REFERENCE ON THE RIGHT THERE. SO THE R OUR PERFORMANCE STANDS FOR MOTOR VEHIC SAL FACILITIES. THEY INCLUDE RESTRICTIONS ON NOISE REPAIR AND SERVICE ACTIVITIES, VEHICLE TEST DRIVING, VEHICLE STORAGE AND DISPLAY AND VEHICLE LOADING UNLOADING. SO THE INTENTION OF THESE STANDARDS IS REALLY TO KIND OF WRESTLE WITH OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS THAT CAN ARISE IN THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. SO WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT I BELIEVE REPRESENTATIVE OF UNITED PROPERTIES IS ALSO ON THE CALL OR SHOULD BE SHOULD THERE BE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. JOHNSON O THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER ABDEH? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CAN ANY OF THE RESTRICTIONS LISTED IN THE DEFINITION BE VARIED IF A NEW APPLICANT OR A NEW USER COMING INTO A SITE THAT DOES FINDS A BUILDING THAT'S LESS THAN ZERO POINT SIX IF THEY ARE FOR A BUILDING, CAN I COME IN AND SAY I WANT TO GO INTO THIS SITE, POSSIBLY NOT REQUEST A REZONING BECAUSE THE SITE IS ALREADY CORRECTLY ZONED FOR THE USE BUT IF I'M MEETING THE RESTRICTIONS LIED IN THE DEFINION, CAN OSE BE VARIED OR IS I JUST A WALK AWAY DEAL? YEAH, SURE, COMMISSIONER GARY, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND MY I'LL SEE IF GLEN AGREES WITH MY INTERPRETATION BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU CANNOT BECAUSE IT IS DEFINITIONAL TO THE USE IT'S NOT A PERFORMANCE STANDARD LIKE MANY OF OUR OTHER STANDARDS IN CHAPTER TWENTY ONE WHERE THEY REQUIRE BY DISTRICT THIS IS IN THE DEFINITION OF THE USE OF MY INTERPRETATION B IS THAT YOU CANNOT REQUEST FLEXIBILITY TO THOSE BASELINE STANDARDS THAT ARE INHERENT TO THE USE ITSELF JIGGERY.

MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONER ABDEH WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE PRESENT TONIGHT. I WOULD AGREE WITH MR. JOHNSON NO THAT BECAUSE THOSE STANDARDS ARE IN THE DEFINITION TO VARY FROM THEM WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A USE VARIANCE WHICH IS PROHIBITED UNDER STATE LAW. SO I DO AGREE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ABDEH, DID YOU DO I THINK YOU ALL RIGHT. >> UH, COMMISSIONER GOETZMAN. YEAH, THANKS, MR. CHAIR. UM, MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS AROUND THE OVERHEAD SERVICE STORES AND WHEN I SEE THE UM THE SECTI ABO IT SAYS THEY WOULD SERVE SPACE. YOU HAVE TO BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF ANY PUBLIC ANY PUBLIC STREET. HOWEVER, IN THIS NEWLY ADDED VERBIAGE WE TALK ABOUT HOW THE SERVICE DOORS MAY BE VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC STREET. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE THESE TWO USES DIFFER AND WHY SCREENING WAS REQUIRED IN ONE AND NOT BOTH? >> YEAH, CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN SO THAT THE THE FIRST VERSION THAT YOU WERE READING WAS THE INITIAL APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT MADE AND THEY SINCE REVISED AND AMEED THEIR APPLICATION TO STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE.

THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT MIRRORED THAT OF THE DEFINITION OF ENCLOSED UH OF THE ENCLOSED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY. SO UPON FURTHER CONSULT CONSULTATION WITH THEIR END USER WHO THEY'RE WORKING WITH TO CREATE THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THE THE RESTRICTION OF SIX SERVICE BAYS WAS NOT WORKABLE TO THE END USER. SO IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BEING WHAT WAS REVISED AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU THIS EVENING SO YOU DON'T NEED TO FULLY SCREEN A SERVICE DOOR BUT YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE FACING A PUBLIC STREET YOU COULD HAVE NO MORE THAN THAT AND THEN FURTHERMORE THE RESTRICTION THAT HAVING TO DO WITH AND THE CHAIR AND I JUST BROUGHT THIS UP JUST VERY BRIEFLY BEFORE THE MEETING BUT THE THE RESTRICTION ON NO MORE THAN TWO BEING GROUP TOGETHER WHAT THAT'S INTENDED TO DO IS NOT HAVE A TYPICAL WHERE YOU SEE AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USE WHERE THEY HAVE SIX OR EIGHT ARE YOU SEE ALL THOSE SERVICE STORES LINED UP AND THAT TAKES ON A VERY INDUSTRIAL OR KIND OF THAT CHARACTERISTIC OF APPEANCE,HE RESTRICTION PERTAINING TO THE NUMBER OF DOORS BEING GROUPED TOGETHER IS SEEKS TO KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY .

SO SCREENING IS NOT REQUIRED BUT YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE OVERHEAD DOORS THAT ARE USED FOR SERVICE FOR THE REPAIR USE . THANK YOU. YEAH, GO AHEAD. UH, COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, MR. JOHNSON, DO WE HAVE ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE DOING MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WITHIN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS THIS HIGH DENSITY MOTOR VEHICLE SALES OR IS THIS A BRAND NEW AND THERE'S SORT OF NOTHING THAT'S IN THIS BUCKET YET? YEAH, SURE. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY WELL BMW MAYBE.

YEAH, MR. CHERRY COMMISSIONER GIVE ME IN TERMS OF FLOREA RATIO THE BMW DEALERSHIP WOULD COMPLY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER ZERO POINT SIX. OK, IT MAY NOT MEET ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS THOUGH. COMMISSIONER ROHMAN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. JOHNSON, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY OTHER THA A MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO WHICH THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THE STANDARD ENCLOSED PROPERTY FROM GOING TO THE POINT SIX. CORRECT. THE ONLY REASON THAT I IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE THIS OTHER CATEGORY IS TO ALLOW SOME SERVICE DOORS TO BE VISIBLE. IS THAT KIND OF THE GIST OF IT ? UH, CHAIR COMMISSIONER ROHMAN THAT AND THE THIRTY MOTOR VEHICLE SALES TO BE USED FOR INVENTORY FOR DISPLAY OUTSIDE BUT THAT'S OFF THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THE ENCLOSED IT'S NOT IT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY MOTOR VEHLES DISPLAYED AS PT OAN ENCLOSED FACILITY ONLY IN A PARKING STRUCTURE SCENARIO.

IT TALKS ABOUT AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THE STORAGE AND DISPLAY. I'M FOLLOWING IT NOW. THANK YOU. YEP. OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON MY PART TO ABOUT THE SIX BAYS VERSUS THEN THIS NEW DEFINITION AND SO JUST TO MAKE SURE MR. JOHNSON SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN GIVE MAYBE JUST A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND OR MR. MARKET WORRIED ABOUT THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND CLOSED BECAUSE THAT ONE THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE REQUIRED THEM TO BE FULLY SCREENED AND NOW I UNDERSTAND IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO WE'RE SAYING SOME DOORS ARE OK TO BE VISIBLE. IS THERE I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE MAYBE MORE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND TO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT WENT IN WITH THE ENCLOSED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A HISTORY ON THAT. YOU MAY ADDRESS THAT OR DOING IT.

I CAN ADDRESS MR. CHAIR SO THAT DEFINITION I'M GOING TO GIVE STATES BACK PROBABLY FIVE TO TEN YEARS AND WAS ADDED AND THEN LATER MODIFIED THE MALL OF AMERICA ACTUALLY DID A PRIVATELY INITIAT AMENDMENT TO FURTHER MODIFY IT. ORIGINALLY IT WAS EXCLUSIVELY EVERYTHING WOULD BE INDOORS IN AND THEREOULD BE NO SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH SO IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO A TYPICAL RETAIL USE IN THAT RESPECT YOU DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE OF INVENTORY AND THEN THERE WAS NO AUTO REPAIR A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. THE MULTIPLIER PAID FOR AND RECEIVED APPROVAL TO AMEND THAT CATEGORY TO ALLOW SOME DISPLAY OUTSIDE OF STRUCTURE BUT WITHIN A PARKING RAMP AND TO ALLOW LIMITED SERVICE. BUTT WAS LIMITED TO SIX DAYS. THEY HAD A POTENTIAL USER AT THE TIME DIDN'T PAN OUT BUT IT WAS AMENDED IN THAT RESPECT AND THAT PARTICULAR DEFINITION DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.

A NEW APPLICANT AND USER IS LOOKING FOR. SO THEY ARE APPLYING TO RATHER AND FURTHER AMEND THAT DEFINITION WHICH WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT. THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A BRAND NEW DEFINITION WHICH I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE USERS THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE APPLICATION NOT BEFORE US TONIGHT. STAFF AT LEAST WAS AMENABLE TO THIS. THE SOLUTION. THANK YOU, MR. MARK . GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT BRIEF HISTORY LESSON WHERE WE CAME FROM ON THIS UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. COMMISSIONER ROHMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. JOHNSON, ONE OF THEIR OBSERVATION I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR MAP THAT SHOWED THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WOULD MEET THE ZONING. I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, MANY OF THOSE SPACES ARE ALREADY AUTO USES. THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME THOUGH IS THE SOUTH TOWN CENTER.

AND HOW WOULD A PERMITTED USE AT TT AREALIGNR NOT ALIGN WITH EITHER OUR CURRENT PLAN VISION FOR THAT AREA OR OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED BECAUSE THAT THAT WOULD BE A GLARING THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO BE A PERMITTED USE THERE VERSUS A CONDITIONAL USE OF COMMERCIAL ROOM AND I'M GLAD YOU BRING UP THE COMPLAINT CHAIR COMMISSIONER ROHMAN, SORRY FOR THAT. I'M GLAD YOU BRING UP THE COMP PLAN. JUST A POINT FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DITLEV FUTURE ANNUAL DESIGNATION OF REGIONAL COMMERCIAL WHICH HAS YOU KNOW, FAIRLY LIMITED APPLICATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF SOUTHTOWN DOES HAVE THAT DESIGNATION. OK, WHAT I WHAT I COULD SAY IS THAT CERTAINLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE B RAP TNSIT THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST END OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE THE EASTERN PORTION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS CURRENTLY ZONE C FIVE. IS THAT CORRECT, GLEN? YES, A CORNER OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY SHOWS UP AND WHITE KIND OF THE CORNER. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE WRONG TO RAISE THAT CONCERN AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL NOT TO BE UH YOU KNOW, THE BEST USE FOR THAT PORTION OF OR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. UM, BUT YEAH, YOU NEED YOU NEED BOTH REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND YOU NEED EITHER C1 OR C THREE POTENTIAL ZONING GIVEN THE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENTS. THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED WITH C THREE THE APPLICANT I SHOULD SAY THE APPLICANT REQUESTED AS PART OF C THREE BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE NATURE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN.

SO THANK YOU AS A AS A PERMITTED USE OTHER THAN BEING INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT AS A PERMITTED USE COULD THAT BE PLACED THERE? I IT'D BE MY POSITION THAT IT COULD FIT NETCODE. YES. THANK YOU. JUST UH CLARIFICATION MR. JOHNSON. SO AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT C ONE AND C THREE C THREE BEING A HIGH INTENSITY RETAIL IS SOUTHTOWN C THREE I MEAN OR IS IT C ONE UH MR.

CHARITIES C THREE IT IS C THREE SO OUR TAKING SOME NOTES HERE COMMISSIONERS AND IF YOU CAN MAYBE MR. JOHNSON ARE THE OTHER SITES HOW MANY OF THE OTHER SITES ARE C THREE THAT ARE UH IS THAT WE JUST SAW IT AS ONE COLOR ONE UNIFORM CODING. >> YEAH NO PROBLEM. I'M GOING TO TRY AND FILTER CHAIR IF YOU MAY IF I MAY WITH ON THE FLY I COUNT TM THE COLLECTION GROUPING FORGIVE ME I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF IT . SO YOU GOT THE SOUTHTOWN SITES I BELIEVE HOME FURNITURE IS ON C THREE I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM A PREVIOUS PROJECT I WORKED ON WITH THAT AND THEN THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USED TO THE EAST THERE OR I SHOULD SAY ARIAH. YEP THAT'S C THREE. YEP I THINK THAT'S IT BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK AND I THINK THE OTHER SITES WERE C ONE SITES. SURE THIS IS RIVETING TELEVISION RIGHT NOW I'M SORRY BUT HELPFUL BUT HELPFUL. YEAH I THINK THE OTHER SITES WERE C ONE SO YOU'REALKING ABOUT SOUTHWN HOME FURNITURE IN THE AREA SITE CURRENTLY AND IS THAT EAST CORNER OF SOUTH TOWN TECHNICALLY IS C FIVE NEAR THE TRANSIT AREA ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS FROM STAFF AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT.

NOT SEEING ANY UM MR. JOHNSON, YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE TONIGHT. IS IT RIGHT? WHO IS THAT? GO AHEAD, MR. STRM. TOM STRONGMAN'S ONLINE. RIGHT. MR. RON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION? GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBS OF THE COMMISSION APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU, NICK, FOR YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT.

AND CONTINUED GUIDANCE WITH STAFF HERE. NO REAL COMMENT JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAYBE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. SCHRUM. COMMISSION MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. STRAHM NOT SEEING ANY. MR. STRAHM, APPRECIATE YOU BEING AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS TONIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS AT THIS POINT NOT SEEING ANY. MR. MARK VEGARD, IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS IS MR. PEASE. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ON THE PHONEHAT WOULD LIK TO SPEAK? THERE'S NO ON THE LINE YOU CAN PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM NOR ANYBODY ONLINE ENTERTAIN A MOTION CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONER KIRKETON MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION MEMBERS MOTION CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE NOW HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IFAVOR OF CLOSG THE PUBLIC HEARING SAY I I ALL THOSE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRY IS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSION MEMBERS DISCUSSION I'LL START I'M A LITTLE WORRIED HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PRIVATELY INITIATED CALL AMENDMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT C3 UM SPECIFICALLY S WE'VE WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO SOUTHTOWN UH, VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR A WALKABLE UH COMMUNITY TYPE ENRONMENT AND I I'M SORRY BUT NO MATTER HOW DENSE THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

IT FITS. AND WHAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING HERE TONIGHT IS THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE. ADDITIONALLY, WE DID JUST HAVE A PRESENTATION AND AS A CITY SENT A LETTER TO THE MAYOR COUNCIL TO SAY WE WOULD CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL METRO TRANSIT TO DEVELOP A TRANS IT FRIENDLY CORRIDOR ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD. I THINK ADDING AN ADDITIONAL USE THAT POTENTIALLY AFFECTS SOME OF OUR PRIME REAL ESTATE WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR BUSSES ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ORANGE LINE STATIONS ARE ALREADY THERE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD DECISION ON THE CITY'S PART. THEREFORE I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION IN FRONT OF US COMMISSIONER ROHMAN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT'S THAT'S MY NOTES ON MY DOCKET WHEN I WAS REVIEWING AND THAT'S WHY I DREW A BIG YELLOW CIRCLE AND IT'S AGAIN THIS IS NOT NOT A REFLECTION ON ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPER PREVIOUS OR IN THE FUTURE. BUT WE WHEN WE MET THAT LAST WEEK TWO WEEKS AGO WE MET TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A APPLICATION THAT MET THE STANDARD UH AS FAR AS WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH A PIECE OF LAND ZONING AND BASED ON OTHER CODE ISSUES AND WE HAD WE FOUND IT INCONSISTENT WITH OUR COMP PLAN FOR THAT AREA.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE STAFF THAT THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY APPLY IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S A PERMITTED USE SO UM, MAYBE THE ANSWER IS C THREE IS WRONG. MAYBE THE ANSWER IS CONDITIONAL BUT YOU OF THAT AND I ALSO LOOK HERE AND CERTAINLY WE HAVEN'T GONE INTO ALL OF OUR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USES BECAUSE AGAIN WE ALL LIKE ACCESS TO MOTOR VEHICLE SALES THERE. THEY BRING PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE NECESSARY. I'M NOT AT ALL OPPOSED TO MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.

THE QUESTION IS WHERE AND IF I LOOK AT EVEN THE LINE ABOVE WITH MOTOR VEHICLE SALES CLOSED, THAT'S A PERMITTED USE THERE AS WELL. SO UM, AGAIN, MAYBE OUR ISSUE IS THAT SPECIFIC AREA IS SHOULD ZONE DIFFERENTLY. I DON'T KNOW AND I KNOW THAT WE JUST CONTINUE THAT ITEM SO I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MARKUP OR BE INCONSISTENT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING ON A PROJECT. BUT IT'S THE SITUATION WE FIND OURSELVES A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEREUR VISIONOR T AREA AS A CITY IS IN CONSISTENT SOMETIMES WITH WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO DO BASED ON CODE .

AND SO LIKE YOU, MR. CHAIR, I THINK GIVEN THE SPECIFICS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IN THE SPECIFIC TENSION WE'VE HAD, I WOULD ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTIVE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROHMAN OR ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER KIRKETON. THANKS, MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR MR. JOHNSON. I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW I WANT TO PHRASE THIS. LET ME START WITH THIS IS SOUTHTOWN INCLUDED IN THE PAN AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. YES, IS OK. AND SO IF THIS CAME BEFORE US AS A REAL APPLICATION AT SOUTHTOWN AND TO BE CLEAR I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING BUT IF IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WOULD WE HAVE TO MAKE A REQUIRED FINDING IN THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHERKASHIN KIRKETON WOULD SO PANAMERICAN DISTRICT PLAN.

SO IT WOULD BE MY OPINION COMMISSIONER ROHMAN AND OTHERS THAT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DEALT WITH TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE WERE ABLE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION BECAUSE WE COULDN'T MEET OR COULDN'T FIND A REQUIRED FINDING NUMBER ONE THAT IT WAS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO IF WE PLAY THIS OUT WE APPROVE THIS PRIVATE INITIATIVE CALLED AMENDMENTS AND I THINK WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REJECT THAT USE AT SOUTHTOWN CENTER BECAUSE WE COULD BE UNABLE TO MAKE REQUIRED FINDINGO O. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CORKTOWN COMMISSIONER ROHMAN, THANK IF THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION EARLIER BECAUSE THE QUESTION EARLIER WHAT I HEARD MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WHAT WAS INTENDED. WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN PERMITTED CARTE BLANCHE IF YOU WILL, VERSUS WHAT COMMISSIONER COOK THEN ASKED WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR PREVIOUS THING THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT THEN AND PERHAPS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD EARLIER. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE CLARIFIED, I'M YEAH, I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE I HEARD THE SAME THING AS COMMISSIONER ROHMAN SO UM JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF THERE WERE SOMETHING THAT CAME IN DURING ONE OF THESE C WELL SPECIFICALLY KIND OF AMERICA, WHAT WERE THE FINDINGS THA WOULD BE REQUIRED? SURE.

MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER ROHMAN ONE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IS WITH A PERMITTED USE IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT EXISTS TODAY AND ANOTHER USE IS COMING INTO THA BUILDING THAT'S PERTTED THERE'S NO REVIEW BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL. IT'S JUST ALLOWED YOU KNOW, TENANTS CHANGE ALL THE TIME WITHIN UH YOU KNOW, MULTITENANT SITES IF THERE IS A NEW BUILDING PROPOSED THEN THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS A FINAL SITE BUILDING PLAN OR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY. SO A NEW BUILDING WOULD COME BEFORE YOU BUT JUST REUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING WERE NOT AND I SHARE IF I MAY I'M TRYING TO LOCATE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS. YOU'LL SEE THIS LANGUAGE ALSO REFLECTED IN FOUR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN FOR RAISING THAT IMPORTANT POINT. I MUST HAVE A CASE OF PANDEMIC BRAIN OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BUT THE CURRENT PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY MORE AND COMPREHENSIVE AND ENCOMPASSING THAN JUST IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WHICH IS THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE ALSO DISTRICT PLANS AND THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR FINAL SAY IN WHETHER IT BE FINAL SAY IN BUILDING PLANS OR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

THEY BOTH HAVE A REQUIRED FINDING PERTAINING TO THE ADOPTED DISTRICT PLAN FOR THE AREA. SO HE'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. AND YOU'RE ALLOWED YEP. YEAH. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANKS, MR. CHAIR. MY QUESTION IS REALLY AROUND HOW THE CITY ARRIVED AT THE PERMITTED VERSUS CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THESE DISTRICTS AND UM IS IT MERELY BECAUSE PERMITTED AT A LESS DENSITY UM ,REVISION TODAY AND THERE SHOULD BE MORE DENSE AND WE JUST KIND OF TOOK THE PERMITTED AND MOVED ON OR DID WE THINK ABOUT CONDITIONAL ON USING THAT AS OUR LITMUS TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING WHAT WE ENVISION THE CITY DEVELOPMENT TO BE? YEAH, SURE COMMISSIONER ALDERMAN, IF I'M IF I GET A LITTLE LATITUDE HERE TO KIND OF TALK IN A MORE GLOBALLY I WANT TO PERTAINS TO ZONING AND KIND OF APPROACH.

I THINK THE PREVIOUS APPROACH TO ZONING KIND OF AN EARLIER AREA WAS TO MAKE A LOT OF USES CONDITIONAL AND THEN THEY WOULD PUT WHATEVER CONDITIONS THEY WANTED TO PUT ON IT AT THE APPROVAL AND IT BECAME MUCH MORE DISCRETIONARY OR YOU KNOW, KIND OF A MOVING TARGET A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHO THE USER WAS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA . KIND OF A MORE MODERN APPROACH TO ZONING IS TO DO AWAY WITH AS MANY CONDITIONAL USES AND CREATE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS SO YOU WOULDN'T FIND THIS USE BEING RECOMMENDED AS A PERMITTED USE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALREADY WITHIN THE CODE DESIGNATED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THESE TYPES CILITIES I DON KNOW ABOUT PRIOR TO THE 06 AND 1999 CODE REVISIONS BUT MY GUESS IS THAT MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USED TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE MY GUESCLIN TO YOUR RECOLLECTION? THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DID USED TO BE AND SO NOW THAT YOU'VE AND AND THIS IS AN ASSORTMENT OF DIFFERENT USES YOU'LL SEE IN OUR CODE RESTAURANTS USED TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN WE DEVELOPED RESTAURANT STANDARDS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MORE MODERN VERSUS AND I THINK IT'S IN ORDER TO TAKE DISCRETION OUT OF THE PROCESS TO TREAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AND DIFFERENT USERS AND SITES KIND OF FAIRLY AND EQUALLY IN A WAY SUBJECT TO THE SAME STANDARDS. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THE REMINDER ABOUT RESTAURANTS I REMEMBER GOING THROUGH THAT SO IT HELPS ME FRAME THE THE APPLICATION I YEAH. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD ALL OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IN ALL THE OTHER ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES CURRENTLY ARE EITHER PERMITTED OR THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY. SO IT'S JUST IT'S FOLLOWING THAT SAME PATTERN. THANK COMMISSIONER ABDEH. THANK YOU MR JOHNSON. MR CHAIRMAN JOHNSON UM JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER IN ADDRESSING MR KIRKETON.

UM QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LANGUAGE YOU BROUGHT UP A ZONING LANGUAGE UM IF THE LANGUAGE AS IS IS ADOPTED TODAY WITH THE C3 PERMITTED AND A NEW DEVELOPER, A NEW APPLICANT TO GO INTO THAT REGION THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND A PERMIT IS BEING REVIEWED BY STAFF, YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARDS THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER ARE BEING MET AND THERE'S NO CONFLICT PROVIDED THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW THAT WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR OF THAT AREA OF THE ADOPTED LAND USE PLANS WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING A SEEING MORE WALKABILITY AND ALL THAT AND MORE TRANSIT FRIENDLINESS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BY WHAT WAS JUST MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER ROMáN TO ME THAT'S ALREADY IN CONFLICT IS BY THE HOW THE U.S.

OPERATES OR WHAT THE CHARACTERISTICS THE USE BRINGS AND THE CHARACTERISTICS WE WANT TO SEE THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND THE USES IN THE AREA WHEN THAT ALREADY JUST CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT AND THEREFORE NOT BE APPROVED AT AT A PERMIT LEVEL. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN CAN WE JUST RECOMMEND A INSTEAD OF A PERMITTED C THREE B A CONDITIONAL C THREE OR I'M TRYING TO JUST VISUALIZE WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF HAVING A PERMITTED THREE NOW WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THE PERMIT LATER ON IT JUST WOULD NOT WORK FOR THAT AREA BUT TECHNICALLY YOU CAN LEAVE IT AS IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ANY APPLICANT CAN COME IN AND REQUEST THE REZONING FOR A DIFFERENT SITE THAT DOES NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS IN THE AREA WHERE COMPLIANCE DOES NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT LIKE THE PEN AREA PLAN.

I GUESS I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AS IS PROPOSED IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT CONSIDERING THAT ANY APPLICANT CAN COME IN AND WANT TO RESPOND TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY TO ADDITIONAL C THREE THAT WOULD BE LESS IN CONFLICT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALLOW THE USED TO HAPPEN IN THE CITY BUT ALSO EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERMITTED IN THE SOUTH AREA, THE MORE AREA THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBING RIGHT NOW IT COULD EASILY BE THE DEPARTMENT COULD NOT BE APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR PROCESS WOULD BE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE APPLICATIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID RIGHT NOW. SO BY LEAVING IT AS PERMITTED UM, I'M TRYING TO CONNECT THE DOTS. I'M SORRY I LOST MY CHANCE. WAS THAT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF THE USE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT AREA ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE ? WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE PERMIT WILL NOT GO THROUGH FOR EXAMPLE? YEAH, SURE.

QUITE SURE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY NEVER BUT JUST THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW YOU WOULD CONSTRUCT ONE OF THESE FACILITIES. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RENOVATING AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S JUST I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT GLEN THINKS ABOUT THAT OR IF WE HAD SOME OF OUR ENGINEERS HERE. BUT JUST STRUCTURALLY WHAT IT WOULD WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MULTILEVEL MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE RETROFITTING A BUILDING TO DO THAT FROM SCRATCH. MAYBE COMMISSION COOKTOWN IS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CAN WIN ON THAT. BUT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THERE BEING ONLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW FOR THIS TYPE OF USE IS VERY LOW IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.

SO I THINK WHATEVER'S COMING TO YOU IS GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU IN THE FORM OF NOT ONLY POTENTIALLY REZONING REGARDING POSSIBLY BUT SAY IT WASN'T THE CASE SAY THEY FOUND AN EXISTING SITE THAT MET THOSE TWO CRITERIA THEN YOU WOULD BE HAVING TO MEET THE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING OR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS OF BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT PLAN WHICH INCLUDES OUR DISTRICT PLANS LIKE THE PANAMERICAN DISTRICT PLAN. SO I THINK THAT GETS TO ONE ASPECT A QUESTION JUST BY WAY OF PROCESS. YOU KNOW, UNITED PROPERTIES HAS SUBMITTED A A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.

THEY'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION OUR LEGAL DIVISION IS NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT CHANGING AN APPLICATION IF YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION UNLESS YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE'S FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS OR THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OLD WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. BUT IF YOU NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND NOT THE REASONS WHY IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF AT THAT POINT TO TRY AND FIGURE AN ALTERNATIVE PATH THAT MEETS THEIR END GOALS. BUT IT'S KIND OF COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS HALF APPROVAL HALF TO NAILER. WHAT DO WE CALL IT? MAYBE I'M GETTING TOO FAMILIAR OF THOSE. YEAH, OR I'M GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS RIGHT NOW BUT I HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION TO THE DEGREE THAT WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF LOOKING FOR.

>> THANK YOU. DOES YEAH. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ROHMAN. THANK YOU MR CHEN. I GUESS I WOULD CIRCLE BACK HAVING ORIGINALLY HAD A STRONG OPINION AND STILL HAVING A STRONG OPINION BUT UNDERSTANDING MORE ABOUT THIS WHETHER IT WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WHICH TO YOUR POINT I THINK I AGREE IT'S UNLIKELY ORT CAME TO A PLANNING COMMISSION THE FACT THAT THE FINDING OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUR DISTRICT LAND THAT SOLVES THIS FOR ME BECAUSE I THINK IN THIS CASE CLEARLY IT DOESN'T I MEAN I YOU KNOW, THE STORY OF THE RESTAURANT WITH THE DOUBLE DRIVE THRU LANE NEXT TO THE BUS STOP PERMITTED USE.

YEP. CONSISTENT THE PLAN NO. SO HAVING EARLIER SAID I WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE, I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GIVENHE ABITY TO MAKE A FINDING IN CERTAIN AREAS BASED ON THOSE LANDS. >> COMMISSIONER KIRKETON. THANKS MR CHAIR AND I WANT TO GO BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE REQUIRED FINDING OF CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS HERE. SO THIS APPLICATION WE REFERENCED FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WAS THE LINDEL HAVE ANY RETROFIT PLAN WHICH WAS VERY CLEAR IN ITS LANGUAGE OF ALL WALKABILITY VEHICLES ALSO THE STREET INTERIOR PARKING STREET ACTIVATION ALL THE THINGS I'M A LITTLE SHORTER ITHE TOOTH AND'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE PANAMERICAN DISTRICT PLAN AND MAYBE I CAN LEAN ON MR JOHNSON.

DO YOU CAN YOU. IS IT THE SAME THEME IN THAT PLAN? IS IT I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER THIS BUT IS IT AS WELL SPELLED OUT AS IT IS IN THE WINDOW? LABINE RETROPHIN WALKABILITY STREET ACTIVATION? ABSOLUTELY YES UNEQUIVOCALLY IT IS. I MEAN THE CHURCH MR KIRKETON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT DISTRICT PROMOTES IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THAT DISTRICT SINCE ITS INCEPTION WITH GENESSEE AND FRESH TIME AND THE APARTMENTS AND MINIMAL SIDE SETBACKS, PEDESTRIAN SCALE ROADWAYS AND TYPE DEVELOPMENT. SO YES, UNEQUIVOCALLY WELL WITH THAT AND I CAN SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT HOW MUCH LEVERAGE DO WE HAVE RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TEETH WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE US? AND I THINK WE DO HAVE THE PROPER TEETH IN THIS AND WE WE CAN SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT JUST SOUTHTOWN RIGHT.

THERE'S OTHER PLACES AND SO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS AND SO I'M I'M OPEN TO IT. I THINK WE'VE GOT NOTHING TO PREVENT IT FROM PLACES WE DON'T WANT IT BUT WE'RE ALLOWING IT TO GO PLACES THAT ARE OTHER THAN THAT. SO I'M IN FAVOR ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CROOKLYN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANKS, MR CHAIR. I THINK WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS LANGUAGE I MEAN IT'S MORE DENSITY WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE WANT DENSITY AND DENSITY IS KIND OF THE FOCUS IN MAKING MORE WALKABLE. SO PART OF THIS IS REALLY KNOW WE'RE IMPROVING THE DENSITY OF OUR CURRENT SITUATION. SO I LIKE THAT ASPECT OF THIS. THE STICKING POINT FOR ME IS THIS THE THREE DISTRICT AND SO PART OF ME WANTS TO APPROVE THIS FOR C ONE AND C ONE ONLY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY BUT TAKING C THREE OUT UM AS BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AND JUST FOCUSING ON C ONE OPENS UP MORE TO MORE DENSITY IN THE C ONE DISTRICTS WHERE MOST LIKELY THERE ARE YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT UM PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA.

I THINK THERE'S ONLY THREE IN THE C THREE. SO PART OF ME WANTS TO SAY WE APPROVE WE MOVE FORWARD BUT ONLY FOR C ONE. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I'LL JUST MAYBE CHIME IN . I KNOW THE STAFF WAS TALKING HERE JUST TO TAKE FROM MR JOHNSON IF UM YOU KNOW EITHER WE AGREE OR DON'T AGREE I THINK OTHERWISE MAYBE AT THIS POINT WEOULD WE COULD ASK THE APPLICANT UM THEIR THOUGHTS ON C THREE C ONE THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE COULD START TO TO MOVE DOWN BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A REQUEST IN FRONT OF US. WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF THE APPLICANT IS PRETTY STRONG IN THEIR FEELINGS THEN I THINK WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THE TWO CHOICES IN FRONT OF US. YES, GO AHEAD, MR JOHNSON. DO YOU SPEAK TO THAT? GO AHEAD. YEAH, SURE. SOLBERG SO ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT AGAIN I'M TRYING TO KEEP US OUT OF LIKE THE THE WEEDS IN THE STAFF DISCUSSIONS AND HOW WE EVALUATE ALL THIS STUFF BUT YOU GUYS ARE NITTY GRITTY GROUP SO LET'S GET INTO IT.

I'M PART OF THE WISDOM OF ALLOWING IT IN MULTIPLE ZONING DISTRICTS IS THAT SHOULD ONE OF THESE USERS COME FORWARD AND SAY THEY FIND A SITE AND SEE THR MAKES SENSE TO THEM OR SAY IF IT'S ONLY ALLOWED AND SEE ONE RATHER THEY BRING A PROJECT TO YOU IT REASONS IT REGARDS THE PROPERTY. THE PROJECT NEVER MOVES FORWARD AND NOW YOU HAVE A SITE THAT IS NOW C ONE YOU NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT A TYPICAL CLASS ONE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY THERE. SO ONE THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS THAT BY ALLOWING IT IN MULTIPLE DISTRICTS YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SAY ON A SITE WHERE A CSS ON MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FACILITY WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE USE YOU HAVE ANOTHER MENU OF A ZONING DISTRICT TO CHOOSE FROM WHICH ULTIMATELY SHOULD THAT PROJECT NEVER MOVE FORWARD, YOU'RE NOT REZONING IT TO A DISTRICT THAT NOW THEY CAN CONSTRUCT A TYPICAL MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USE.

>> SO THAT' PART OF I D'T KNOW IF IT'S WISDOM OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE BUT THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY OR THINKING WHICH IS INFORMING THIS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. OF COURSE ALWAYS WISDOM WHEN IT COMES FROM STAFF, MR JOHNSON ALWAYS WISDOM. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, I'LL JUST MR JOHNSEN'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. I THINK I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK MORE OR LESS AS WE TALK ABOUT AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST YEARS ABOUT BIG STORAGE FACILITIES. YEAH, I RECOGNIZE 494 IS A MAJOR DRAW BUT IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GOING TO MAKING 494 VIABLE TRANSIT FACILITY YOU DON'T PUT BIG LOTS WITH NOT VERY MUCH USE FOR YOUR AVERAGE ORDINARY USER BUT FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE FOR A CAR THAT'S IT. YOU DON'T RIDE A BUS TO GO GET A CAR NORMALLY I DON'T THINK BUT MR JOHNSON'S WISDOM IS IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS BUT IUST DON'T KNOW. I DON'T I'M NOT SURE ENCLOSED OR HIGH DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE IN C THREE AT ALL AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY LET'S ADD ANOTHER THING TO SEE THREE WHEN I DON'T AGREE WITH THE FIRST THING THAT SINCE THREE SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT IT ISN'T.

I AGREE MR COMMISSIONER ROHMAN ABOUT WHERE WE ORIGINALLY STARTED ABOUT ALLOWING IT IN OR SOUTHTOWN THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS IT WOULDN'T POTENTIALLY GO THERE. AT WAS O OF MY INITIAL CONCERNS BUT AS I MENTIONED AT THE OUTSET AS WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING DENSITY AND AND USERS FOR FUTURE TRANSIT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS MATCHES THAT THAT GOAL. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT WITH MY COMMENTS.

I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD STILL HAVE A VOTE NO ON THIS BUT COMMISSION MEMBERS IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. >> YEP. COMMISSIONER ALBERT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION SO MR JOHNSON, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES INCLOSED TO ALLOW FOR THIS MORE HIGH DENSITY USE THERE RATHER THAN CREATING A WHOLE NEW ZONING DEFINITION? >> YEAH, SURE MR OLBRICH. WE DID WE DID LOOK AT THAT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT APPROACH TO THE FLOOR A FATAL FLAW OF THAT THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS THAT ENCLOSED IS ALLOWED IN A LOT MORE ZONI DISICTS THAN WE FEEL THIS YOU SHOULD BE NARROWLY ALLOWED WITHIN. AND SO I MEAN I CAN LOOK UP THE LIST IF IF YOU LIKE BUT IT'S ALLOWED IN A LOT MORE DISTRICTS THAN THAN WE THINK APPROPRIATE. AND IF YOU GET BACK IN YOU KNOW, I'VE PROVIDED MY ANALYSIS AND I DON'T WANT TO PUSH TOO HARD BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE 11 SITES THAT THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, THREE OF THEM ARE C THREE.

THE REMAINDER ARE C ONE. ALL OF THE SITES THAT ARE C ONE ARE EXISTING MOTOR VEHICLE SALES USES. YOU'RE CERTAINLY RIGHT TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE THAT THAT COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING CALLS AND CONTACTS ABOUT TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT USE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WHICH WE ARE GIVING A STIFF ARM TO FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. SO THOSE SITES ARE VALUABLE AS THEIR EXISTING USE IF THAT MAKES SENSE AND THEY ARE LOCATED ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD, COULD THEY REDEVELOP AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? CERTAINLY.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING IN THE NEAR TERM IN THE LONG TERM POTENTIALLY SO WELL THEN WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THREE SITES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOME FURNITURE AREA TO VERY HIGH END JUST REINVEST TO RECONSTRUCT IT OR RECENTLY IN THE MODERN ERA CONSTRUCTED RETAIL USES AREA CONSTRUCTED RETAIL USES AND THEN SOUTHTOWN WHICH IS SUBJECT TO THE PEN AMERICAN DISTRICT PLAN AS COMMISSIONER AND KIRKETON TALKED ABOUT. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT. I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER SOLBERG'S WRONG EITHER THOUGH ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT METRO TRANSIT AND WHAT THE CITY'S FUTURE VISION FOR AMERICAN MAY OR MAY NOT BE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WRONG THAT PROCESS EITHER. BUT I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THAT BACKGROUND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 SITES WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE DISCRETION ON REZONING REGARDING SHOULD THEY NOT BE LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE SITES ? YES, WE DID THAT. THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER. I'M SORRY WE DID LOOK AT INCLOSED AND IT'S ALLOWED IN TOO MANY DISTRICTS TO GARNER SUPPORT.

NO THANK YOU, MR. JANSA THAT WE GOT IT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HANDOUT YOU PROVIDED US AS WELL. OH, SURE. I'M SURE THAT'S QUITE A BIT MORE THAN 11 SITES. >> UH, YES. COMMISSIONER ULBRICH SO WHAT I IF I IF I TAKE THE PEN AND AMERICAN SITE AND I THINK ABOUT THIS HIGH DENSITY USE ON THAT SITE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE LAND ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT I ALSO I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AT PENN AND AMERICAN I BUT I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS NOT EVERYTHING IN THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES INCLOSED BUT THE FACT THAT VEHICLES 30 MOTOR VEHICLES ARE STORED WITHIN A PARKING STRUCTURE SEEMS TO BE I DON'T KNOW, MORE APPEALING THAN 30 VEHICLES JUST OUT DISPLAYED OUTDOORS.

IT SEEMS TO BE A TIGHTER DENSITY THAT WAY. OBVIOUSLY THE VEHICLE REPAIR AND THE SIX SERVICE BAYS PROBABLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PART. BUT I THAT THAT IS TO SAY THAT I GUESS I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF MINGORWARD WITH THIS GIVEN THAT SPECIFICALLY A IN AMERICA BUT ALSO AT SOME OTHER THREE C THREE SITES THAT IT WOULD NOT BE IN KEEPING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BUT THEN AGAIN I GO BACK TO WELL THEN WHY ARE WE DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO I AM TALKING MYSELF OUT OF IT OBVIOUSLY I YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. SO FOR NOW I THINK THIS IS ONE IT'S INTERESTING, RIGHT? THERE'S THERE'S BENEFITS. THERE'S PROS AND CONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WHICH WHEN YOU'RE VALUING MORE OR WHAT YOU THINK THE IMPLICATIONS ARE GOING LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH THOUGHTS I'M GOING TO STEER YOU DOWN OTHERWISE IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IT'S KIND OF A HEAD SCRATCHER. SO OR THEY'RE MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE THE DECISION AND THEN I SUPPOSE WE COULD ASK, UH, STAFF WHAT THE TIMELINE IS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND UH, WHEN CITY DECISION HAS TO BE MADE. SURE SOLBERG, THE THE DEADLINE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXTENDED TO THE HUNDRED TWENTY DAY OUT TO JANUARY 7TH. SO THAT'S YOUR ACTION DEADLINE WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS APPLICATION AS ALWAYS AND YOU KNOW, WELCOME THE APPLICANTS PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S OUR AGENCY ACTION DEADLINE IS JANUARY 7TH, OK? AND CURRENTLY HAS OTHERWISE EXTENDED BY THE APPLICANT AND CURRENTLY THAT IS CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TWENTY NINTH. WOULD THAT BE THE FINAL ACTION ON NOVEMBER TWENTY NINE IF YOU IF YOU TAKE ACTION TONIGHT. YEP. OK OTHERWISE I MADE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING WOULD THAT BE WOULD THAT IF JUST FOR INSTANCE AGAIN IF WE CONTINUED IT TO A DATE CERTAIN I'M ASSUMING JUST DEPENDING UPON HOW LONG WE WOULD NEED WOULD DEPEND UPON THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING DATE. RIGHT. I MEAN IF WE CONTINUED FOR TWO WES TO IF WE NDED MORE INFORMATION, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE OPTIONS FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS IF WE NEEDED SOME PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR US YET TONIGHT TO MAKE A UH A GOOD DECISION SAY TWO WEEKS WITH WOULD WE STILL MAKE THAT OR ARE WE GOING TO START PUSHING TO HOLIDAYS AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY CANCELED CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ? YEAH, SURE. SOLBERG, I BELIEVE GLEN'S LOOKING AT THE MEETINGS BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT.

I BELIEVE YOU KNOW, THERE'S I BELIEVE THERE'S A SOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING PRIOR TO THE HOLIDAYS BUT LET'S PULL THAT UP I GUESS AND SO COMMISSION MEMBERS ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION WE'D HAVE TO DIRECT STAFF WITH THAT INFORMATION IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR PRIOR TO MAKING A DECISION. SO COMMISSIONER ROHMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. JOHNSON, WHETHER YOU MAY NOW OR I SAY MR. STRAHM IS STILL ON THE LINE THE C ONE N C THREE INCLUSION WAS THAT THE APPLICANTS DESIRE TO HAVE THOSE TWO OR THAT STAFF'S BEST RECOMMENDATION THAT THOSE BE THE INCLUDED DISTRICTS I WOULD CHAIR MR.

ROHMAN. I WOULD SAY THAT THE APPLICANT SAID OUR FEEDBACK AND PRESENTED THOSE DISTRICTS AND WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND THAT SUPPORT OF OTHER DISTRICTS. SURE. AND I DON'T KNOW POINT OF ORDER. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF C ONE ONLY WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THEIR PROCESS OR THEIR PLANS? MR. MARK , I THINK WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT UH MR. CHAIR, YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT. I WOULD SAY THAT THE FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATIONS HAS BEEN 93 AND REMEMBER THAT AT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE SAID THAT'S CURRENTLY ON C THREE COULD BE A REASONED REASON TO SEE THREE THAT C ONE WAS ADDED AT STAFF REQUEST JUST BECAUSE SAID NO STANDARD MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS ALLOWED.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THIS YEAR. SURE BUT YEAH DEFINITELY YOU CAN ASK THAT HAPPEN OK. DO YOU WISH THAT I I'M I MEAN GIVE WHA YOU SAID AND YOU KNOW IT'S THAT WE HAD THAT WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION I THINK WHEN SOMETHING SIMILAR WHEN THE ACURA SUBARU PROJECT CAME AND THEY HAD PURCHASED THE UH VACANT BODY SHOP AND NOW IT IS SURFACE PARKING ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD OR AUTOMOBILES. AND SO AGAIN THE IDEA I GET THE IDEA OF BEING CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE SAY IS PERMITTED BUT I THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WEOULD WANT TO P ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DENSITY? UM, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN THAN THE CLASS ONE, YOU KNOW AND I THINK OF A NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN I HAD A LESS RELIABLE VEHICLE WHERE I WOULD DROP OFF AT ANOTHER UNNAMED DEALER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 494 AND TAKE THE BUS TO WORK. SO UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE CAR DEALER ISN'T ALWAYS INCOMPATIBLE BUT GOOD POINT.

I'M I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH AT THIS POINT I THINK GIVEN HOW FAR YOU I MEAN AGAIN NOTHING IS CERTAIN BUT I'M JUST ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKING THIS SOUTHTOWN WOULD REQUIRE A PRETTY VERY SPECIFIC FOR ME IT WOULD REQUIRE A VERY SPECIFIC SPOT OF THAT PARCEL IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT HOME JUST BUILT A YEAR AGO. RIGHT. AND RTI NEAR AS I CAN TELL IS PROBABLY NOT A CANDIDATE FOR DEMOLITION.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE C THREE WOULD BE NEW THREE. OK GOOD POINT AND WITH ANY REZONINGE HE ADDITIONAL UH AUTHORITY ON OUR SIDE TO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL. SO CHAIR SOLBERG, THERE'S NO DECISION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MAKES THAT YOU HAVE MORE DISCRETION ON THAN REGARDING AND REZONING FOR THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER KIRKETON THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN. TO BACKUP COMMISSIONER ROMANES POINT AS A SINGLE ONE CAR OWNER WHEN I DROPPED MY CAR OFF FOR SERVICE IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST REQUIRED THAT I HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT AVAILABLE TO ME SO I CAN GET BACK ON.

SO IT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF NICE. YEAH, MISSIONER ABDEH, I CAN AFFORD A ALL RIGHT IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY COMMISSION MEMBERS. >> GOOD COMMISSIONER I'LL BE ALL IN CASE SPELLED TO ZERO TWO ONE DASH ONE NINE TWO I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING AND DEFINING MOTOR VEHICLE SALES HIGH DENSITY AS A NEW USE DESIGNATION AND MAKING IT A PERMITTED USE IN THE C ONE AND C THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THEREBY ANDING CHAPTERS NINEEN A TWENTY ONE OF C-CODE. I THANK THE COMMISSIONER OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. WE HAVE A MOTION IN FRONT OF US TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND COMMISSIONER KORMANN ALL RIGHT UH COMMISSION MEMBERS WE HAVE A MOTION ON A SECOND IN FRONT OF US TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, ESTABLISH AND DEFINE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES HIGH DENSITY AS A NEW USE DESIGNATION AND MAKING IT A PERMITTED USE IN THE C ONE AND C THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTERS NINETEEN AND TWENTY ONE OF THE CITY CODE .

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? >> NOT SEEING ANY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AY AY AY ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN I MOTION PASSES THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE NOVEMBER TWENTY NINTH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION FOR A RECESS SO THAT WE CAN SET UP AND JOIN OUR PARTNERS FROM THE HRA FOR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS IN FRONT OF US.

SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED. ALL RHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECESS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I WILL RECESS UNTIL I'LL JUST MAKE THIS CLEAR 715. ALL RIGHT. RECESS UNTIL SEVEN FIFTEEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AY AY WE ARE IN RECESS TILL SEVEN FIFTEEN AND AND OCTOBER TWENTY EIGHT TWENTY TWENTY ONE MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING AND WE ARE MEETING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WILL NOW CALL THE ROLL CALL DO THE ROLL CALL BALOGA HOOTIN PRESENT LEWIS HERE OHLSON YEAH THORSON HERE LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THERE ARE FOUR COMMISSIONERS HERE FOR THE HRA COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. AND I ALSO UH JUST UH MAKE SURE FOLKS AT HOME KNOW THAT WE ARE RECONVENING UH OCTOBER TWENTY EIGHT TWENTY TWENTY ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THOSE UH THAT JUST WITNESSED OUR FIRST RECESS I THINK IN SIX YEARS THAT I'M AWARE.

SO UM WITH THAT UH UH CHAIR LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NOT AT THIS PROCEDURALLY OTHERWISE UH WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL MR. PALERMO TO UH PRESENT THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR US ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SINGLE FAMILY TO FAMILY DWELLING STANDARDS. THANK YOU, CHAIR SAHLBERG. THANK YOU. JERRY LEWIS. UH, SHARE MY SCREEN . ALL RIGHT. SO UH, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SINGLE AND TWO FAMILY HOME UH, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND I ALSO INCLUDE HERE ACCESSORY VOLUMES, LITTLE SQUEEZE IN THE MIDDLE. SEAN JAMES WILL PRESENT THAT ITEM. SO SOME OF THE BACKGROUND FOR WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT IT'S ON OUR TWENTY TWENTY ONE AND IT WILL CONTINUE INTO TWENTY TWENTY TWO WORKPLAN.

WE'RE LOOKING TO ENCOURAGE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. WE'RE COMMUNITY OF CHOICE PROVIDE THOSE CHOICES. UH, THROUGH THIS UPDATE WE CAN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS SOME AFFORDABILITY AND HOMEOWNERSHIP. WE CAN ADDRESS RACIAL EQUITY AND POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES THAT MIGHT BE IN PLACE AND WE CAN ENCOURAGE HEALTH SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES AND WE'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN I PRESS I JUST WANT TO START OUT WITH THIS QUOTE HERE IT JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO FRAME OUR DISCUSSION THIS I THINK I GOT THIS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES BUT WE ARE IN A WEIRD TIME DEMOGRAPHICALLY, SAID THOMAS GIMéNEZ, A SOCIOLOGIST AT STANFORD.

THERE'S MORE CHOICE ABOUT OUR INDIVIDUAL IDENTITIES, HOW WE PRESENT THEM THAN THERE EVER HAS BEEN. WE PRESUME FAR LESS ABOUT WHO SOMEBODY IS BASED ON T BOX THEY CHECKOMPAD TO PREVUS PERIODS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD IT'S MORE IT'S LESS ABOUT THE BOXES AND MORE ABOUT CREATING FLEXIBILITY, MORE OPTIONS AND TO FRAME OUR DISCUSSION WHEREAS IN THE PAST IT WAS VERY MUCH COOKIE CUTTER. RIGHT OR SO PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT JUST HOW WE SHIFT IN THE PAST 40 50 YEARS. OUR CURRENT OUR CURRENT CODE REALLY KIND OF DATES BACK TO THE SEVENTIES.

WE HAD A REALLY B BOOM IN THE 50S AND 60S AND THEN THE 70S KIND OF SLOWED A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S WHERE OUR STANDARDS REALLY WE'VE KIND OF DONE INCREMENTAL CHANGES RATHER THAN BIG CHANGES IN THE LAST 40 OR SO YEARS AND IN THAT TIME WE WERE NINETY NINE PERCENT WHITE IN THE 70S. NOW WE'RE SIXTY EIGHT PERCENT WHITE NON HISPANIC HOUSEHOLDS WITHHREE POINT SEVEN PEOPLE.

NOW WE'RE CLOSE TO TWO POINT THREE IN AS WE NOTICED WE'RE NOW KIND OF FLATLINING ON THAT HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND MAYBE A SLIGHT UPTICK. WHAT WE FOUND IN THE 2010 CENSUS IS WE'RE BOTH GETTING FOR RECENT YEARS WE'RE GROWING BOTH OLDER AND YOUNGER. WE HAVE UNDER 18 POPULATION GROWING A LITTLE BIT AND OUR OLDER POPULATION OF COURSE GROWING. SO THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WILL ATTEMPT TO COUNTERACT.

FIRST ISSUE IS LAND SCARCITY. IT'S VERY LITTLE LAND IN THE CITY TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIV PLAN. I IDENTIFIED TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE ACRES. WE'VE HAD SOME OF THAT ALREADY DEVELOPED SINCE THE PLAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPED OPTIONS FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN OUR CURRENT STANDARDS SOMETIMES MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO PRESENT BARRIERS AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE OUR VACANT LAND IS, IT'S NOT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, JUST AREAS KNOWN FOR SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DISTRICTS SEE IT SOUTH LOOP ALONG THE FREEWAY AND THEN LITTLE POCKETS HERE AND THERE. BUT BY AND LARGE REDEVELOPMENT IS WHERE WE SEE POTENTIAL FOR MORE SINE IN TWO FAMILY HOS. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, WHY DO WE HAVE PART OF WHY WE HAVE THIS AFFORDABILITY PROBLEM BESIDES LAND SCARCITY OBVIOUSLY IS PART OF IT. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH HOME PRODUCTION IN GENERAL FROM 12 EIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THIS CHART HERE OUR HOME PRODUCTION STARTS GOING DOWN DOWN AND BOTTOMS AROUND TO 2010 AND THIS IS OUR HOUSEHOLD GROWTH ANNUALLY.

SO THE WHOLE HOUSEHOLD GROWTH IS DECLINING SLIGHTLY BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING THIRTY OR TWENTY THOUSAND NEW HOUSEHOLDS IN THE REGION PER YEAR. SO TS IS T MRO REGION. SO WE WERE UNDERPERFORM MEANS THAT WE'RE ALREADY AT A DEFICIT. WE NEED TO CATCH UP TO CREATE MORE HOMES. WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CREATE MORE THAN WHAT'S IN DEMAND BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE UP FOR THAT LOST PRODUCTION. SO WE'RE HERE ARE STILL NOT CAUGHT UP YET. SO FINDING WAYS TO CREATE JUST MORE HOUSING IN GENERAL IS IMPORTANT. OTHER ASPECTS OF AFFORDABILITY ARE KIND OF HARD COST. YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF LAND SMALLER LOTS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE LOSS YOU HAVE THE LAND PRICES CHANGE BUILDING DESIGN, THE MATERIALS YOU USE, THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS, THE HOW MUCH PAVEMENT YOU NEED. ALL THOSE ARE KIND OF HARD COST THAT BUILT INTO THE HOME. THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFLUENCE ON IN THE ZONING CODE . THERE'S OTHER COSTS SUCH AS MORTGAGES OR CLOSING COSTS THAT WE JUST YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AFFECT THE ZONING CODE BUT THOSE ALSO IMPACT AFFORDABILITY.

I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP THE OWNERSHIP GAP IN BLOOMINGTON. SO THIS IS FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY FROM LAST YEAR THE OWNERSHIP CAP FOR OUR BLACK INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF COLOR, POPULATION. THIRTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE HOUSEHOLDS ARE HOMEOWNS COMPARED TO SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT FOR WHITE NON HISPANIC. SO THAT THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. WE'LL GET MORE IN ANOTHER STUDY SESSION ABOUT EQUITY. WE'LL TALK OF COME UP WITH FOUR TOPIC AREAS FOR US TO DISCUSS SOME POTENTIAL UPDATES. SO THE TOPIC AREAS ARE AFFORDABILITY, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND WE GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT WHERE CAN WE BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT OUR CODE IS TRYING TO GET AT? AND THEN LIKE I SAID, EQUITY WE'LLALK MORE IN DETAIL AT ANOTHER STUDY SESSION. WE'LL TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE TOPICS ARE ALL INTERRELATED.

WE MIGHT FIND OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE EFFICIENCY BUT WILL CREATE MORE ISSUES WITH AFFORDABILITY OR YOU IF WE FIND MORE HEALTH SUSTAINABLE BUILDING DESIGN THAT MIGHT INCREASE COST. RIGHT. SO I KIND OF THINK OF IT AS A BALLOON PRESS IN ONE AREA YOU MIGHT BULGE OUT IN ANOTHER AREA. SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW THERE'S A BALANCE TO THIS AS WE DISCUSS SO LITTLE PRIMER ON SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY IN OUR URBAN ZONING DISTRICT. WE HAVE TWO OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS ARE ARE A NASTY ONE. YEAH, I VERY RARELY DEAL WITH THEM. THEY'RE PRETTY RARE WITHIN THE CITY. IT'S PREDOMINANTLY URBAN ZONING DISTRICT. THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY GUIDED LOW DENSITY IN SOME INSTANCES IT IS MEDIUM DENSITY BUT IT'S MOSTLY GUIDED LOW DENSITY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH MEANS IT HAS A MAXIMUM OF FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.

MOST OF THE CODES ARE IN OUR CHAPTER. TWENTY ONE IN OUR GENERAL STANDARDS WE KIND OF BREAK OUR STANDARDS DOWN AND AS WE TALKED IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS BUT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. IT'S JUST RELATED TO POOLS AND SPORTS COURTS WHEREAS TO FAMILY HOMES WE DO GET INTO SIMILAR DETAILS IN THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS REALLY KIND DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO FAMILY HOME YOU CAN SEE HERE OUR MINIMUM SIZE FOR A SINGLE MILY HOME IS ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WHEREAS THE TWO FAMILY IS FIFTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND YOU CAN SEE FIFTEEN THOUSAND FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ON A CORNER IN EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FOR TO FAMILY IN THE CORNER WE HAVE DIFFERENT MEDIAN LOT FOR TWO FAMILY IT'S ONE HUNDRED FEET VERSUS 80 FEET ARE SET BACK IT'S FIFTY FEET FIRST THIRTY FEET AND OUR MINIMUM FLOOR AREA IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER FOR TWO FAMILY HOME AS WELL.

SO AS WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION TOPICS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL I WANT TO HAVE THREE KIND OF GUIDING QUESTIONS THAT WILL KIND OF HELP OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. THE FIRST WILL BE SHOULD STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM, THIS TOPIC A SIMPLE YES OR NO IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SHOULD WE SPEND MORE TIME TO KIND OF GET MORE DETAILED COLD RECOMMENDATION WE WON'T GET TOO MUCH IN THE DETAIL TODAY.

IT'S MORE JUST IS I A YES? IS IT A HIG MEDM OR LOW PRIORITY AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS COULD BE A VERY BIG UPDATE OR DEPENDING YOU IF WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE STAFF TIME AND THEN ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK MIGHT HAVE ON THE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL CHANGES. SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THE FIRST TOPIC WHICH IS AFFORDABILITY, JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'VE CHANGED OVER TIME OUR MEDIAN HOME VALUE KIND OF DIPS KIND OF SIMILAR AFTER TWENTY EIGHT AND THEN IT STARTS TO REBOUND A LITTLE BIT AND KEEPS INCREASING FROM ABOUT TWO THOUSAND AND FOURTEEN ON HIS INCREASE. SO OUR MEDIAN HE VUES CLOSE TO THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND AND THIS CHART HERE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS JUST THE AGE OF OUR HOUSING STOCK WHEN WE'RE THINKING REDEVELOPMENT OR ADDITIONS OR MODERNIZATION OF HOMES YOU CAN SEE NEARLY 50 PERCENT OF OUR HOMES WERE BUILT BEFORE NINETEEN SIXTY ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE PERCENT IN THE NINETEEN SIXTIES.

SO THE SIGNIFICANT ARE OVER FIFTY YEARS OLD. THIS KIND OF JUST SHOWS THAT CHART WILL BE EASIER TO SEE THAT TREND OF MEDIAN HOME VALUE OVER TIME AND THEN WE'RE PART OF A GREATER MARKET. RIGHT. SO HOW DO WE COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION? LOOK AT OUR MEDIAN HOME VALUE AND THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DATED NOW AND THEY'RE FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RESOURCES.

BUT WE'RE TEND TO BE IN THAT MIDDLE RANGE ARE THIS SHOWS ARE MEDIAN HOME VALUE TO FIFTY WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR. WE'VE SEEN SOME BIG JUMPS. RIGHT. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF ASSUME THAT MOST OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE SEEN THAT JUMP AT WELL BUT JUST BEYOND JUST THE TOT HOME VALUE, LK A OUR PRICE PER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT REALLY SHOWS YOU YOUR VALUES BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE HOUSING SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THAT MIDDLE ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE DOLLARS PER SQUARE FEET WHICH IS ABOUT THE AVERAGE OF THESE SEVENTEEN COMPARISONS. IT IS AND SIMILAR WITH OUR OUR SALES IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER ABOUT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND VERSUS ABOUT 340 FOR THE AVERAGE FOR THE CITY'S SO THESE ARE KIND OF STAFFORD CONVENED ENTERED DEPARTMENT GROUP TO KIND OF DISCUSS WAYS TO ADDRESS THESE TOPICS.

WE DID SOME FACILITATED DISCUSSION AND THESE ARE KIND THE ITEMS THAT SHUFFLED TO THE TOP IN THE CODE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITH. SO I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE TOPIC AREAS WHAT THE CURRENT STANDARD IS AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL LOOK FOR YOUR INPUT . IS THIS SOMETHING TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE AND GET MORE DETAILED RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU? IS IT A HIGH, MEDIUM OR LOW PRIORITY IN ANY FIRST INITIAL REACTIONS AND THIS FIRSTTEM MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS PROBABLY THE BIG KAHUNA THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT. THE BIG ITEM THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. SO CURRENTLY OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ABOUT ELEVEN IS ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND FIFTEEN THOUSAND CORNER LOTS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR TWO FAMILY HOMES. SO HOW DO WE COMPARE TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES RICHFIELD CAN GO DOWN TO SIXTY SEVEN HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND SOME OF THEIR ZONING DISTRICTS SO THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT WE REQUIRE. BURNSVILLE IS SIMILAR WITH TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. ST. LOUIS PARK IS ABOUT NINE THOUSAND AND DAYNA'S NINE THOUSAND BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A MEDIAN FLAT AREA FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS IN PRACTICE.

MINNETONKA IS THE LARGEST AT TWENTY TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUT THEY HAVE A FEW OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS AS WELL WHERE THEY ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY. SO OUR TWO IN OUR THREE AGAIN SIMILAR APPROACH TO HAS AN R ONE AND R ONE S AND AN HOUR OR TWO IN EDEN PRAIRIE HAS SEVERAL ZONING DISTRICTS AS WELL. MOST OF THE HOMES ARE IN THE R1 THIRTEEN OR ONE NINE POINT FIVE WHICH IS NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. SO WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE? IT'S HARD TO SAY THESE NUMBERS AND IT'S ANOTHER TO KIND OF SOME TRYING TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT A 10000 SQUARE FOOT LOT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE WHICH IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO OUR ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOT. IN FACT, THIS IS IN BLOOMINGTON, ONE OF OUR NEHBORHOOD THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT 10000 SQUARE FEET IS. SO THIS IS LESS THAN OUR CURRENT STANDARD AND ABOUT FIFTEEN PERCENT OF OUR LOTS ARE LOWER THAN OUR CURRENT STANDARD.

SO WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT ARE LEGALLY ON CONFORMING. THIS IS WHAT EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LOOKS LIKE FOR A LOT. THIS IS BELIEVE IN RICHFIELD THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 5.5 UNITS PER ACRE WHICH IS HIGHER THAN OUR LOW DENSITY GUIDING. SO THAT'S ONE CURRENTLY BE PERMITTED WITH IN OUR LOW DENSITY GUIDING EN SMALLER AT SEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BELIEVE THIS IS RICHFIELD AGAIN PRETTY TYPICAL SUBURBAN LAYOUT STILL THOUGH YOU DON'T SEE A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TEN THOUSAND AND SEVEN THOUSAND IN MY OPINION. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT 4500 SQUARE FEET? THIS ISN'T EVEN PRAIRIE. THESE ARE THIS IS QUITE TWO VAST AREAS ABOUT SEVEN POINT FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. SO AS YOUANEE DESIGN CAN REALLY IMPACT WHAT THAT FEEL IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS PRETTY DENSE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER US MEDIUM DENSITY IN OUR IN OUR GUIDE PLAN AND THEN WE DO HAVE INSTANCES OF MOBILE HOME PARK. THIS IS CLOSER ALMOST TO HIGH DENSITY DESIGNATION FOR US AT TEN MINUTES PER ACRE.

THIS IS A FIVE ACRE SITE WHICH FOR A MOBILE HOME IS THE MINIMUM I JUST WANT TO THROW IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF DETACHED HOUSING. THIS IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS PERMITTED IN OUR CODE AND THEN THIS JUST EXPLAINS THAT THE MORE DENSITY YOU HAVE THE SMALLER YOU HAVE, THE MORE AFFORDABILITY YOU CAN BAKE IN BECAUSE YOU'RE SPREADING THAT COST OVER MORE UNITS ON THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAND. SO BROOKINGS HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND SHOWING WHAT THEY CALL GENTLE DENSITY. SO NOT AN OVERWHELMINGLY YOU KNOW, GOING FROM LOW DENSITY HIGH DENSITY BUT MODEST INCREASE CAN STILL HAVE IMPACT ON AFFORDABILITY. SO SOME PROS AND CONS OF OUR STANDARD IT I PURPOSELY DID NOT CALL THEM PRO OR CON. I JUST LISTED THEM SO YOU CAN DECIDE IF THEY'RE PROS AND CONS BUT YOU KNOW IT DOES THAT LARGER CLASS SIZE DOES ENSURE THAT OUR STANDARDS CAN BE ACHIEVED. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT BAG REQUIREMENTS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ALL THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHIN 11000 SQUARE FOOT LOT IF YOU GET SMALLER YOU MIGHT END UP HAVING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

BUTIKE I HAD MTION A COUPLE OF TIMES SEVENTEEN PERCENT OF OUR EXISTING LOTS ARE UNDER THE ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. ONLY ABOUT TWO PERCENT ARE BELOW NINE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF AN IDEA. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REALLY TINY LOTS THAT ARE NONCONFORMING. IT'S IT'S PRETTY CLOSE BUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING REDEVELOPMENTS THERE'S I THINK THAT NUMBER NUMBERS THERE'S THAT NUMBER IS WRONG. IT'S NOT SEVENTY TWO PERCENT THE ARE LARGER THAN TWENTY I BELIEVE IT WAS 12 PER CENT ONCE I HAVE SOMEWHERE BUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING IF I HAVE ONE LOT IT'S EASIER TO SPLIT THAN TRYING TO GET TWO OR THREE LOTS AND TRY AND COMBINE YOUR MULTIPLE OWNERS AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TWENTY TWO IT'S TWO SEVEN PERCENT OF OUR LOTS ARE OVER TWENTY THOUSAND. SO IF YOU'RE THINKING OF OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE RIGHT NOW AND YOU SAW AN EXAMPLE TODAY AND YOUR FIRST ITEM SPLITTING A LOT MEETING THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET ONLY SHOULD BE TWO PERCENT OF OUR LOTS MEET THAT STANDARD TO MAKE THAT EASY SPLIT AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT TO FAMILY YOU DO HAVE THIS MINIMUM OF FIFTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH OUR LOW DENSITY GUIDE PLAN AS THAT WOULD PUT YOU ABOVE OUR FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.

SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FIFTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET NOT TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH OURURRE PLAN. SO SOME OF THE APPROACHES ARE REDUCED. THE LOT SIZE MAYBE THERE'S FLEXIBILITY THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITH AN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND POTENTIALLY WE MIGHT NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT IF WE'RE THINKING IN HIGHER DENSITY. SO I GUESS THIS LEADS US TO OUR FIRST ITEM. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND HRP COMMISSION ARE INTERESTED IN AND KIND OF OPEN FOR ANY BRIEF DISCUSSION USING AN OPEN DISCUSSION FORMAT? YES. YEAH. GO. SO THIS IS JOANNA GOETZMAN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR TWO TO FAMILY HOUSING IS THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY TO ONLY HAVE ONE TWO FAMILY HOME WITHIN FIVE HUNDRED RADIUS AS THE CROW FLIES.

YES. WOULD NOT ALSO BE AN ITEM THAT WOULD BE THAT IS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. YEAH OK. YEAH YES. JOHN, THANK YOU. UH JONATHAN EATERY UM I THINK GIVEN THE HISTORY THAT YOU GAVE OF GOING BACK TO THE SEVENTIES AND UH WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE REALLY BEGS THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT UH THE SITUATIONS THAT ARE IMPACTED BECAUSE OF THOSE CHANGES AND UH AND SO, UH, MY GENERAL THOUGHT OF UH TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS THAT I THINK YES, WE NEED TO DIG INTO THIS MORE AND APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY GOING INTO THIS. IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE ALREADY. >> UM, CHERYL LEWIS I AM UM CHAIR OF THE HRA COMMISSION AND I WOULD ECHO UH COMMISSIONER PAULSON'S COMMENTS. I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN AREA WE SHOULD LOOK INTO MORE SERIOUSLY AND MORE DEEPLY BECAUSE IT COULD OFFER SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, UH, MR. PALERMO, YOU MENTIONED SEVEN POINT TWO PERCENT OF LOTS ARE GREATER THAN TWENTY TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. CAN YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE MORE LIKE WHAT'S THE PERCENT OVER TWENTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET? UM, THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER SET TWO POINT FOUR PERCENT SO YOU'D BE ABOUT TEN PERCENT. YEAH, SO UH I'M A LITTLE HUNG UP ON YOU. HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO REALLY MATERIALIZE INTO NEW DEVELOPMENT? A HOUSE TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE SHIFTED TO ONE SIDE OF THE LOT SO IF I HAVE A LOT THAT'S TWENTY ONE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OR TWENTY THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND I WANT TO DIVIDE THE TWO I ALSO HAVE TO TEAR DOWN MY HOUSE AND BUILD TWO NEW ONES AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD NEW HOUSES THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY NICE ONES AND SO YOU'RE LOSING THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE AGA AND I YOU KNOW, ON PAPER I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE CONTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND I AGREE AND IN SELECT CASES I THINK WE COULD ACHIEVE SOME AFFORDABILITY BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND THAT IS TRUE.

THAT IS A BIG PART OF IT IS THE DESIGN OF WHAT'S TEARING DOWN A HOUSE WHICH ADDS TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TO YOUR CLOSET MINIMUM 20 TO FORTY THOUSAND. ONE ASPECT THOUGH IS INCREASING SUPPLY. WE'RE GETTING THAT TIGHTER TIGHTER HOUSING MARKET. CORRECT AND AS W JUST INCREASE THE SUPPLY IN GENERAL WE SEE MOVEMENT SO WE MIGHT HAVE A NEW HOUSE THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE BUT SOMEONE'S MOVING OUT OF ARE LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THAT NEW HOUSE FROM A MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSE. SO THERE IS A DYNAMIC THERE. IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE AND THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS. IT'S NOT A SINGLE OPTION THAT'S GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT. BUT HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO HAVE THAT OPTION WOULD PROVIDE SOME ASPECTS BEING THAT IS EXCUSE ME BEING THAT IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE.

I D'T WANT TO POUR COLD WATER ON THINGS BUT TO ME THIS WOULD SEEM LIKE PERHAPS LESS OF A PRIORITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HAVE A STRAIGHTERLINE TO AFFORDABILITY. UH, UH, A GOOD POINT. I THINK, UH, WHAT I'D UH SUGGEST THAT STAFF DO IS LOOK AT UM THE AGE OF BUILDINGS. I MEAN THE WAY THE CITY DEVELOPED IS MAINLY UH INITIALLY IN THE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE CITY AND SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE ARE UM WE COULD DO SOME KIND OF INVENTORY OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE UH UH EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN NOT EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF INSULATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND JUST GETTING OLD AND UH AND SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THAT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

I THINK, UH, AS A GENERAL GENERALIZATION. BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME PORTIONS AND PERHAPS MAINLY IN THE EAST PART OF THE CITY OR OTHER PARTS WERE DEVELOPED WEST. BUT YOU'RE OLDER AND WE CAN DIG DEEPER INTO THAT COMMISSIONER. AND I THINK YOU HAD SOMHING . THANK YOU. I AM SO OUT PLANNING COMMISSION I GUESS I HAD LIKE MULTIPLE THOUGHTS GOING. BUT ONE THING I'M IN SUPPORT OF ACTUALLY LOOKING INTO THIS BECAUSE NEIGHBORING CITIES A LOT OF FOLKS ARE WANTING TO MOVE OUT INTO THE SUBURB AREAS BUT THERE IS LESS SPACE FOR THEM TO MOVE INTO UNLIKE MINNEAPOLIS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERTIZE YOU KNOW THEY HAVE SMALLER LOTS. YOU SEE MORE DENSITY. YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP EARLIER THEERE LIKE ELEVEN HUNDRED FIFTEEN HUNDRED. I GUESS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR SOME OF THESE LOTS THAT ARE ZONED ARE ONE WHAT IS THE CONCENTRATION OF THAT? ARE THOSE IN I DON'T WANT TO SAY POOR AREAS OF BLOOMINGTON BUT IF WE HAVE SUPER LARGE LOTS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT ARE LIKE IN THE BUSHWICK AREA OR NO LIKE AREA, THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

THERE ARE LOTS ARE LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED OR SPLITS SO I GUESS WHAT I I'M FINILY FOR IT. WANT TO SEE MORE FAMILIES MOVING INTO BLOOMINGTON. I WANT TO SEE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR FOLKS IF I HAVE A LARGE LOT IF I'M ABLE TO SPLIT IT AND KEEP MY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND GET A VARIANCE AND REDUCE THE SETBACK BECAUSE OF WHERE THE NEW LINE WILL BE ,I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESERVE EXISTING PROPERTIES WITH SETBACKS.

BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD ARE WE CREATING A CONCENTRATION OF SMALL LOTS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR INTENTIONALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR ROOM? THANK YOU, PEDRO. IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YES, I'M IN SUPPORT OF STAFF SPENDING TIME AND AS I WOULD PUT IT IN THE MEDIUM CATEGORY FROM A PRIORITY AT LEAST FROM THE THINGS THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE ON THIS ABOUT WHETHER YOU LOOK AT THE REDUCING THE LOT SIZE BUT I THINK IT'S FINE TO REDUCE THEM.

NO, I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE A FAIRLY GOOD SIZE YARD WITH A DECENT AGAIN AOT OF BLOOMING TEAHOUSES ESPECIALLY ANYTHING I MEAN NOT EXCLUSIVELY BUT MOST ANYTHING EAST OF NORMAN DALE BOULEVARD IS IS MOSTLY SINGLE STORY SO WE CAN ENCOURAGE MULTISTORY HOUSING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW, FOLKS HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT BUT WELL MY BIGGER THEME IS AGAIN DO WE HAVE A ZONING CODE THAT IS FOR BLOOMINGTON OF NINETEEN SEVENTY OR A ZONING CODE FOR BLOOMINGTON OF TWENTY THIRTY 20 40 AND THIS IS CLEARLYOMETNG THAT WOD MOVE US IN THE DIRECTION OF THE FUTURE AND NOT CLINGING TO THE PAST. WHAT I WONDER ABOUT AS WE LOOK AT LOT SIZES IS IT IS ALSO LOOKING AT MAXIMUM BECAUSE WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT I WORRY IS COMING AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMING IN TWO YEARS OR IT'S COMING IN SIX YEARS, SOME OF THOSE OLD HOUSES THAT OLSON WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT MAYBE ARE LESS EFFICIENT OR YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER LOTS ESPECIALLY FARTHER EAST YOU GO THE OLDER STOCKS SOMEONE SWOOPG UP, TWO OF THEM CONSOLIDATING THEM ,TEAR IT OUT AND BUILD A BIG HOUSE.

AND SO HOW DO WE AS WE LOOK AT LOT SIZE WE TALK ABOUT REDUCING BUT DO WE ALSO HAVE A MAXIMUM AND YOU KNOW, WE WE THAT'S WHAT THE EIGHTY PERCENT THING EARLIER TODAY WITH THE THE SPLIT WE WERE DISCUSSING. SO I ALSO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO DISENCHANT SOME OF THAT WHICH THEN LEADS TO LESS OF THE AFFORDABLE OLDER STOCK THAT COULD BE REINVESTED IN THE YOU COULD HAVE TWO LOTS CURRENTLY THAT GETS SPLIT INTO THREE IF YOU HAD A SMALLER AREA.

BUT WHEN YOU GET TO CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE, I THINK THAT FITES COMMISSIONER ROBIN ,YOU'VE JUST PUT ME BACK A FEW YEARS TO A MAGAZINE THAT I ACTUALLY I THINK I WANT TO HELP YOU TO SEE IF YOU COULD FIND IT AND IT SHOWED WHAT I THINK THE TERM IT WAS TINY HOMES AT LEAST THAT CONCEPT AND WHERE TO GO WITH YOUR POINT IF IF A DEVELOPER OR IF WE AS A CITY MAYBE INVOLVED WITH HRA INVOLVEMENT WERE TO FIND THAT THERE ARE THREE HOMES CONTIGUOUS THAT MAYBE THAT THEY COULD BE TORN DOWN BECAUSE THEY SERVED WELL AND AND AND AND THEN LEAVE THESE HOMES AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE THREE BUILDINGS I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT NINE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND AND IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF AREA THAT SOME PEOPLE WANT, INCLUDING RETIREES FOR EXAMPLE ,UH, THE DEVELOPMENT NOW AND PANAMERICAN THE NEWEST ONE I THINK THERE'S FIFTY UNITS THAT ARE IN THE RANGE OF ABOUT NINE FIVE I KNOW SEVEN NINE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

SO THE PICTURE JUST WAS BURNISHED IN MY HEAD AND I CAN'T PRODUCE IT FOR YOU IS IS THAT THERE WERE HOMES THAT THAT HAD A COMMONS AREA AND A PICKET FENCE KIND OF A THING AND SO PEOPLE COULD HAVE LITTLE GARDENS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF IF THEY WANTED TO AND HAVE SOME SOCIAL INTERACTION UM AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY WERE THEY DIDN'T FIRES YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PICTURE BUT UH AND ANOTHER QUICK SIDELIGHT ON THAT AND MY READING OF THE STUFF THAT YOU GAVE US WHICH IS GREAT UM DOESN'T INCLUDE IT APPEARS TO ME TAKING A STAND ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF OF TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE. ARE WE GOING TO BE MORE MOVING MORE TOWARD TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR ARE WE GOING TO BE GETTING MORE TO CARS YOU CALL FOR AND THEY COME AND PICK YOU UP AND BRING YOU TO CHURCH OR DENTAL APPOINTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK STAFF WOULD WOULD BE OBLIGED TO AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, I MEAN THANK YOU AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL KIND TALK TOUCH UPON A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. UM, CLUSTER HOUSING CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S A COUPLE THAT'S A BROAD DEFINITION. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE END. ANY LAST COMMENTS ON THIS? OH YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VICKI WHO CAME WITH THE COMMISSION UM, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS.

I'M ACTUALLY WHERE I LIVE AS A PRODUCT OF A SPLIT PROPERTY ALREADY EAST SIDE WAS SPLIT MULTIPLE AREAS ON THE EAST SIDE WERE SPLIT. SO OUR NEIGHBORS WERE THERE FIRST AND OUR HOUSE IS A SPLIT LOT. UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOU TO TO I GUESS MAKE SURE OF IS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN YOU DO DO SPLIT WHAT'S THAT LIKE? THEY'RE EQUALLY SPLIT IN THE FACT THAT LIKE GARAGE SIZES ARE DIFFERENT. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO A TWO CAR GARAGE. WE ONLY HAVE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE. SO JUST THAT EQUITY IN THAT TO MAKING SURE IT'S EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I THINK IT WOULD HELP WITH THE AFFORDABLE PIECE OF IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR HOUSE WAS VERY AFFORDABLE. UM, SO JUST YEAH I SUPPORT THIS SO THANK YOU. YEP. AND THAT IS ONE ASPECT WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT THAT WHAT ARE THE OTHER DESIGN STANDARDS . I MEAN THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES RIGHT. THAT WITH THE ELEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL HANDER'S THOUGH AND UM YEAH FLANK COMMISSION I ALSO AGREE WITH LOOKING INTO THOSE APPROACHES LOOKING FOR THEY'RE DOING MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT IN PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES COULD BE.

BUT BEYOND THE AFFORDABILITY PART IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO KNOW ALSO TO KIND OF COMPARE BETWEEN AMONG CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD THIS EXPERIENCE THAT HAD CERTAIN SQUARE FEET VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE IN BLOOMINGTON WHAT WE COULD POSSIB HAV IN BLMINGTON AND THE IMPACT THAT THESE HAD HAD IN THE OTHER CITIES IN TERMS OF FOR EXAMPLE, LIVING CONDITIONS, FAMILIES, SCHOOLS YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT WILL MAKE IT DIFFERENT BEYOND THE AFFORDABILITY PART IS WHAT I WILL BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING MORE. YEAH, I'LL JUST CHIME IN HERE . JOHN SILVERCHAIR PLANNING COMMISSION AND I THINK A LOT OF GOOD POINTS HERE BUT UH AND CERTAINLY LOT SIZES IS ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I AGREE THERE'S PROBABLY MINIMAL UH, OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH LOTTOS MUCH LIKE UH, COMMISSIONER ROHMAN MENTIONED LOOKING AT THOSE AGAIN LOOKING AT MINIMUMS. BUT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE MAXIMUM AND WHAT DOES THAT UNINTENTIONAL UH, CONSEQUENCE IF SOMEBODY DOES THAT PURCHASES THREE LOTS I THINK IT ALSO JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LOT SIZE AND I LOVE WEST WHERE I HAVE A LARGER LOT UM THINKING ABOUT THEOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH HERE I THINK ARE REALLY THE KEYS THAT START TO PUSH THAT TO MAKE PIECES AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE.

THE LOTS IN MY MIND ARE ONE THING. THE DENSITY IS ANOTHER OBVIOUSLY. BUT I THINK YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CLUSTERS AND THINKING ABOUT UM NOT ONLY THAT BUT THEN JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT LARGER ZONING OR THE OVERLAY WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS T ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL UH ADDITIONAL HOUSING STOCK, DIFFERENT TYPES THAT MAYBE NORMALLY WOULDN'T BE APPROVED IN BLOOMINGTON.

SO BEYOND JUST KIND OF A SINGLE DETACHED WHAT MAYBE IT'S FIVE HOMES THAT CAN HAVE A COMMON DRIVEWAY THEY COME OUT OR SOMETHING. YEAH. MORE CREATIVE. YEP. GOT OK ANOTHER THING THAT BUBBLED UP SO TO FAMILY HOMES JUST KIND OF NATURALLY HAV A LOWER DENSITY OR HIGHER DENSITY OBVIOUSLY UM AT ABOUT SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET PER HOME THEN IT'S A WAY TO GET THAT AFFORDABILITY A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT WE DO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL STANDARD OF A 50 FOOT THAT BAG AS OPPOSED TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE A 30 WATT SET BACK. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. APPROACHES ARE REDUCE THE CARE, KEEP IT AS IT IS. BUT THIS IS ONE THAT WE HEAR A LOT FROM DEVELOPERS SAYING THAT THIS IS IT'S AN EXTRA COST TO US. WE HAVE TO DO A LONGER DRIVEWAY JUST ADDS MORE CONSTRAINTS TO THE SITE.

THE OTHER ASPECT IS IT PUSHES IT FURTHER BACK. IT'S A BIGGER MASS. YOU CAN SEE THIS HOME RIGHT HERE. IT'S IT'S A DOUBLE IT'S TWO HOMES TOGETHER. IT'S LESS IMPOSING ON THE STREET IF IT'S FURTHER BACK, UM, MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF A HEAD NOD AND SHOULD IS THIS SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN REDUCING? YEAH, YES. AND THEN WE ALLUDED TO THIS BEFORE I THINK COMSSIONER GOLTZMAN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS FIVE HUNDRED FOOT SO CURRENTLY IF YOU'RE WITHIN FIVE HUNDRED FEET AND WE WE'VE TWEAKED THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TO BE ON THE SAME STREET ON THE SAME BLOCK FACE I BELIEVE WE SAID THAT RATHER THAN AS THE CROW FLIES BUT WE WOULD CONSIDER IT A GROUPING AND KIND OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM I BELIEVE AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE THE HISTORY ON THIS BUT THERE'S A DEVELOPER WHO JUST KIND OF STARTED TO BUY HOMES AND DO A TO FAMILY AND JUST SLOWLY KIND OF WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH THE BLOCK ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE DENSITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT OUR OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE RESPONSE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN. IT SEEMS LIKE GUESS A FAIRLY OLD I THINK IT'S MAYBE IN THE RANGE OF TEN YEARS OLD ORIGINALLY EVERY TWO FAMILY DWELLING HAD TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STAFF PROPOSED WELL LET'S DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY. IT KIND OF A COMPROMISE POSITION COUNCIL WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AT THE TIME. SO THE COMPROMISE WAS STAFF COULD APPROVE IT AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A ANOTHER ONE WITHIN 500 FEET. IF THERE WAS THEY WANTED THE DISCRETION TO REVIEW IT CREAMIEST.

AND SO WHAT IS FIVE HUNDRED FEET IN TERMS OF THE CITY BLOCK AND SO I N. S CITY BLOCK IN BLOOMINGTON IS GENERALLY SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY FEET AND THIS IS A PICTURE FROM I FORGET THE ROAD BUT IT'S KIND OF BY INTERNATIONAL VILLAGE. THERE'S A WHOLE STREET OF DUPLEXES AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT DUPLEXES AND YOU JUST KIND OF KEEP DRIVING AND REALIZE OH THERE'S A LOT RIGHT. SO JOHN, SO WE'RE PLANNING AGAIN AND THIS IS ONE THAT STRIKES ME AS IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABILITY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR DENSITY. UM, I WHY WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING TO FAMILYOMES TO SAY THAT THEY'RE UM THEY'RE MORE IMPOSING ON A NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'RE NOT ANY MORE IMPOSING SOME OF THE STUFF ON OVERLOOK THAT I SEE. UM SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN KIND OF THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, ANY ONE OF THOSE UH LOTS COULD BE BUILT ON RIGHT NOW BY SOMEBODY THAT HAD TOO MUCH IMAGINATION AND BE MUCH MORE IMPOSING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT UM IT'S MORE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT MIGHT G WITH IT RATHER THAN SEPARATION. RIGHT. AND I WOULD SAY BUILDING ON AND NOT TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF WHERE I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING TO EVENTUALLY BUT WHETHER IT'S WE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN CAN YOU YOU DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS BUILD UP TO A SECOND STORY BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER STANDARD THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO GARAGE DOORS FOR EVERY DOLLAR. I MEAN FOR GARAGE DOOR IS A MASS OF OF GROUND LEVEL EXACTLY RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW IF YOU ONLY HAD TO HAVE TWO PARKING STALL OR TWO OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY GARAGE DOORS BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE THESE TWO SOLVED THAT WERE OFF THE STREET, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

I MEAN YOU COULD BUILD A TWO STORY HOME THERE WITH TWO PARKING TO GARAGE DOORS AND ENOUGH STREET AND STILL PULL IT FORWARD. YOU COULD DO LOTS OF CREATIVE THINGS WITH A SMALLER LOT. SO I I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING BUT I MEAN THIS THINGS KIND OF ALL DOVETAIL. YEAH. AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT JUST ANOTHER ONE I'M SEEING A LOT OF HEAD NODDING WE CAN PROBABLY YEAH. AND THE MINIMUM HOME SIZE WE CURRENTLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE TEN FORTY SQUARE FEET AS THE MINIMUM WE OFTEN SAY THE TEN FORTY RAMBLER FOR OUR TWO FAMILY WE WE DECREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT TO 960 AND AS SEAN WILL GET INTO THAT CORRESPONDS WITH OUR EIGHTY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 960 SO IT KIND OF THAT GREAT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THAT'S ALL RELATED RIGHT.

THE SCALE THE SPECTRUM OF HOUSING THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE YOU KNOW IT TAKES IN THE COST, RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MINIMUM SIZE YOU THAT YOU HAVE A MINIMUM COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT PREVENTS UH IT CREATES A CERTAIN STANDARD FOR BLOOMINGTON SO ANY THOUGHTS ON MINIMUM HOUSE? IS ANY STRONG OPINIONS OR AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS 1970 VERSUS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AND ALSO IN THAT TIME TYPICALLY PEOPLE WERE NOT UTILIZING LOWER LEVELS LIKE THEY ARE NOW. SO YOU KNOW, OUR MINIMUM SIZE IS TYPICALLY CONSIDERED ABOVE GRADE. SO WHAT I CARE SOMEONE BROUGHT IN PROJECT FOR MAYBE IT WAS A TEN FORTY AND IT WAS FOUR HUNDRED BELOW GROUND AND SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY ABOVE GROUND NOW SO YOU KNOW ANOTHER ASPECT IS JUST THAT THERE'S MARKET DEMAND RIGHT.

THAT IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING SOMETHING SOMEONE HAS TO BUY IT AND IF IT DOESN'T FUNCTION IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT GOING TO SELL. WE'VE ALSOEEN AITTL CREATIVE LATELY WITH WE HAVE THAT PROJECT THAT CONVERSION PRICE OVER AND GRANTED THAT WAS RENTAL. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE FIVE SOMETHING UH THAT I THINK THEY WENT DOWN TO AS LOW AS THE FOUR HUNDRED. YEAH. I MEAN SO WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING THINGS LIKE THAT AND AGAIN DO WE KNOW WHEN SHOULD THE STANDARD BE DIFFERENT FOR RENTAL VERSUS HOMES AND AND SHOULD IT. WELL AND I THINK THE SO JOHN SO WE'RE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN AND THIS IS ONE WHERE I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF YOU TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITY HOUSING AND SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE AND YOU KNOW, I THINK SEDIMENTED APPLETS IS DOING A TINY HOMES, VARIOUS LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO DO AND AGAIN THINKING ABOUT SOME VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD EXIST MAYBE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S PREVIOUSLY NOT BEEN IN A HOME HAVING SOMETHING AS SMALL AS AND FIFTY SQUARE FEET TO BE ABLE TO MOVE UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT.

UM, AND AGAIN THAT MIGHT BE VARIOUS LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT BUT IT AGAIN INEASES OPPORTUTY I THINK THIS IS JOANNA GOLDFEIN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. I THINK THAT LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR CITIES WE LOOKED AT THE 70S AND THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD SIZE WAS THREE POINT SEVEN. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO TWO POINT TWO. WE DON'T NEED THESE TEN OR FORTY HOUSES LIKE WE DID WHEN WE HAD LARGER HOUSEHOLDS. NOW SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CREATIVE IS YOU'VE GOT MULTIFAMILY GENERATIONAL THAT COULD MEAN A BIGGER HOUSE. BUT I REALLY THINK A SMALLER HOUSE MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. >> YEAH, AND ONE ASPECT NOT TO FORGET IS YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD ON TO YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT. IF WE IF WE HAVE THE ROOM YOU CAN ADD IN ADDITION ONE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PICTURES IN OUR CONVERSATION HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT OF BUILDING UP YOU KNOW, UH, THERE CAN BE APARTMENTS THAT ARE UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS.

I LIVED IN ONE MYSELF AT ONE POINT SO UM YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SUBURBAN SPRAWL AND WAS PARTLY THE LOTS BEING BIG AND SPRAWLING ALL OVER THE LAND. BUT B ANYWAY LET'S LET'S KE AOOK THIS IS CELOTTO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TO FINALLY DISTRICTS ARE TO FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, ARE THOSE ALSO ALLOWED IN THE R-1? THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED US ALSO ALLOWED OK TO FAMILY IS INCLUDED IN THE R1 IS I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD WAS DOES BLOOMINGTON HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR REVIEWING NEW DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ALLOW FOR CHARACTER BUT YOU HAVE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF LIKE A MINOR WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING BUILDING WITH LIKE MINNEAPOLIS DOES I'M SRY I KEEP REFERENCING IN MINNEAPOLIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I UNPROFESSIONAL YET.

BUT THEY YOU KNOW, MINNEAPOLIS HAS A MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS FOR LOT SIZES BUT FOR FOLKS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE STREET LOOKS LIKE, THE CITY CAN DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN HEIGHTS IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING HOW MUCH GLASS WE CAN HAVE, HOW MANY BUILDINGS BUILDING WITH THERE CAN BE, HOW CLOSE OR HOW CK THE GARAG CAN BE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED OR NOT AND WHETHER THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE ADDED TO THE BUILDING IF THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. SO I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THESE CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINE BUT OBVIOUSLY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND THE REST CAN BE SPELLED OUT SPECIFICALLY TO DETER SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS.

YEAH, AND TO SOME DEGREE WEATHER ESPECIALLY WITH OUR TWO FAMILY HOMES. WE DO HAVE SOME MORE OF THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES ESPECIALLY I INK THERE'S A MAXUM SIZE ON THE GARAGE THAT COULD BE IN THE FRONT AND SO THE TWO FAMILY HOME GETS A LITTLE MORE INTO THE DETAIL BUT THE SINGLE FAMILY IT'S LESS SO IT'S MORE OF THOSE GENERAL PARAMETERS, THE SETBACKS AND BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE TOO.

AND THE GENERAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND I THINK BACK TO DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BUT IT WAS GARAGE AND THEN I THINK IT WAS LITERALLY SIX FEET ON THE SIDE AND THEN THAT LED TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS BEHIND. SO I THINK HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT IT IT CAN BE A HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FRONT DOOR LIVING ROOM WINDOWS ,BEDROOM WINDOWS AT THE STREET I'M SORRY SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT A BUILDING WITH NO ,NO, NO, NO, NO NO THAT WE I THINK THERE'S THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IS I MEAN WE LOOKED AT IT IN THAT MEDIUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS AT PENN AND I LIKE THE IDEA THE IDEA WAS ESSENTIALLY IT WAS A GARAGE WITH WHATEVER IT WAS FOUR OR SIX FEET ON THE SIDE B THAT WAS THE HOUSE GOING BACK AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY COMPLAINING THAT WELL THAT THAT WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD FROM THE STREET.

RIGHT. SO I GUESS THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE STANDARD OF WHAT WE COULD DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS YOU MENTIONED IN MINNEAPOLIS. BUT I THINK YOU CAN GO TO THAT LEVEL AND SAY WELL, IT'S GOT TO HAVE WINDOWS, IT'S GOT TO HAVE WI IF THEY HAVE IT ON THE OTHER THREE SIDES, WHAT'S IT MATTER? >> SO CHERYL LEWIS, HRA I JUST AS FAR AS THE APPROACH BECAUSE HERE AGAIN WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT THE TWO APPROACHES I THINK PROBABLY LOOKING AT REDUCING THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS RATHER THAN REMOVING THEM COMPLETELY. I THINK THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE FLEXIBILITY WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND NOT KIND OF OPENING IT UP TO ANYONE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WOULD COME FORWARD IF YOU HAD NO REQUIREMENTS BUT I THINK FOR SURE REDUCING THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE THE APPROACH TO LOOK AT. RIGHT. AND MAYBE IF THEY WANT TO GO LOWER THAN A CERTAIN MINIMUM THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE YEAH YEAH OK. AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY BUT THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO WE DO REQUIRE FOR BOTH TO FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY FOR SPACES FOR DWELLING UNIT TWO OF WHICH MUST BE FULLYEING CLOSED AND THIS CANNOT BE ACHIEVED WITH THE CARPORT.

IT HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL ENCLOSED GARAGE. THERE ARE BENEFITS WE WE'VE KIND OF GONE AROUND A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT WE STILL ARE CAR DEPENDENT CITY TO SOME DEGREE AND HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT PROVIDES TWO SPACES OUTSIDE THE GARAGE AND NEGATIVE ADS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH THE TWO FAMILY. YOU'VE GOT A LONGER DRIVEWAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE BUT IF THERE'S NO EMERGENCY YOU HAVE A SPOT TO PUT YOUR CARS IN THAT GARAGE REQUIREMENT AND ALSO WHETHER IT'S USED FOR PARKING OR NOT, IT COULD BE USED FORTORAGE WHICH AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE STORAGE ALL WE CAN GET MORE AND MORE STUFF BUT SOMEEOPL DO UTILIZE I KNOW I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT'S THAT'S THEIR GARAGES, THEIR STORAGE SPACE. THEY JUST PARK OUTSIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHATHEY DO. SO ANY THOUGHTS SOMEONE WITH SOME APPROACHES FOR KIND REDUCE THE TWO CAR GARAGE REQUIREMENT, REMOVE THE REQUIREMENTS OR ALLOW BE MORE FLEXIBLE ON WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS CAR PARTS FOR EXAMPLE, REDUCE THAT TOTAL OFF STREET PARKING OR REMOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS IN THE MULTIFAMILY AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT COMING UP TOO. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF MY ITEMS BUT ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THE FOUR PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS? WE'RE GLAD. OH YES MA'AM. HRA I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND PERHAPS CONSIDER SINGLE CAR GARAGES AS AN OPTION AND FEWER PARKING SPACES. I'M AT THE STAGE OF MY LIFE WHERE I AM KNOW THAT IN SOME NUMBER OF YEARS I WILL BE LEAVING MY TEN NINETY TWO SQUARE FOOT ROOM AND AND I'VE ALREADY STARTED TO KIND GET A SENSE OF WHAT KIND OF HOUSING I WANT TO LIVE IN AND SO I'VE LOOKED AT CONDOS, I'VE LOOKED IN ZERO LOT LINE HOMES.

I WENT THROUGH THE ONE THING THAT REALLY STANDS OUT IS THERE SOME ROWHOUSES ARE NOT INEXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE NOT IN MY PRICE RANGE BUT SOME ROWHOUSES OVER AT CENTENNIAL LAKES AND VERY DENSE AND VERY NARROW STREETS AND VERY PLEASANT THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED. AND I COULD IMAGINE EVEN ON A SMALLER LOT PUTTING FOUR OF THOSE ROAD TYPE HOMES IN SINGLE CAR GARAGES OR SOME OF THEM I'VE LOOKED AT NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S ENOUGH BUILDINGS THERE IN TERMS OF FOUR TO MAKE UNDERGROUND AFFORDABLE TO FINALLY BUILD. I REALIZE THAT'S WHAT THIRTY THOUSANDS OF SPACE OR SOMETHING BUT IT'S COMMUNITY MAYBE THAT CAN WORK SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO GET EVEN MORE CREATIVE ON ON SOME OF THESE OPTIONS AND AND MY COMMENT HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LOOKING IS YOU GET TO A YOU KNOW A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS I'M A VERY POPULAR THERE'S NOT AN OPTION YOU MIGHT GET ONE SPACE. YOU MIGHT GET TWO SPACES FOR SIX WHERE REQUIRING TWO TO ENCLOSED GARAGE DOORS AND FOUR ADDITIONAL SPACES AND PEOPLE ARE SNAPPING UP HOMES THAT HAVE ONE OR TWO SPACES AND IN MAYBE SOME COMMUNITY PARKING.

SO AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET REALLY CREATIVE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE OPEN TO. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DOES TWO CAR GARAGE MEAN LIKE TWO CARS GOING IN LIKE WE TYPICALLY SEE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TANDEM LIKE YOU CAN BE BACK TO BACK ONLY ONE CAR GOES IN AND OUT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR POSSIBLY STORAGE OR LIKE TO TALK TO FAMILY A FAMILY WITH TWO CARS GOING IN FOR THE WINTER AND HAVE LESS CARS PARKED OUTSIDE FOR ALL THE BOTH UNITS. BUT DO AEE ESPECIALLYF WE'RE CONSIDERING FROM THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT LOT REDUCTIONS IF WE DO ALLOW FOR SMALLER LOTS AND YOU KNOW ,I THINK HAVING FOUR CAR GARAGE FACING THE STREET IS YOUR THING IS JUST A HIDEOUS THING TO LOOK AT FROM A DESIGN GUIDELINES. IF I'M IF I'M A RESIDENT WALKING THAT BLOCK GO INTO A PARK OR GOING TO A BUS STOP, IT JUST WOULD BE NOT EYES ON THE STREET.

AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A HOUSE IN DESIGN GUIDELINES IS JUST BE, YOU KNOW, MORE HAVING MORE EYES ON THE STREET AND WHATNOT. BUT AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD PROHIBIT A TANDEM GARAGE. IT'S JUST I DON'T THINK EVER IF IT IS ALLOWED TODAY NOBODY DOES IT JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, MARKET DESIRABILITY CONVENIENCE. WE HAVE RETROFIT WE SEE IT A LOT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSTRAINED ON THEIR SITE ALREADY. I MEAN THAT'S AN ASPECT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS AS WE GET MORE FLEXIBILITY WE ALSO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR PEOPLE ON THEIR EXISTING SITES TO DO CREATIVE THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, THE TANDEM WE RARELY SEE THAT NEWER AND RETROFIT FOR SURE. OH OH HI RAY ALBRECHT. I AM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I SEE THIS REDUCED TOTAL OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT OR REMOVE THE MINIMUM AFTER PROGRAM THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION PRIMARILY I THINK BECAUSE OF THOSE MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILIES OR FAMILIES WITH MANY KIDS I KNOW OR DECREASING THE OVERALL SIZE OF FAMILIES IN BLOOMINGTON.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE AND WE PEOPLE STILL DRIVE CARS RIGHT NOW AND YOU KNOW,F TY HAVE FOUR CARS AND WE REDUCE IT DOWN TO TWO AND THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET OVERNIGHT OR MULTIPLE NIGHTS, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED. YEAH, I AGREE. THAT'S JOANNA AGAIN. I WOULD ECHO WHAT YOU COMMENTED ON. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD LOOK AT WE TALK ABOUT THIS BALLOON MOVING AND UM THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT PEOPLE CAN'T PARK AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF IF WE REMOVE THESE THESE GARAGES WHICH I'M L F THAT IT WILL IMPACT THE NEED FOR ON STREET PARKING. UM WHICH THEN OF COURSE WOULD PROBABLY IMPACT SNOWPLOW AND STREET SWEEP AND ALL OF THE OTHER TYPES OF UTILITIES THAT WE RECEIVED BUT THEN LOOKING ALSO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW REMOVING THIS WILL POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE NEED FOR OFFSITE STORAGE OR EVEN JUST CLUTTER IN PEOPLE'S YARDS . I THINK LIKE SNOW BLOWERS AND SHOVELS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE NORMALLY STORE IN A GARAGE IF IT'S SMALLER, WHERE DOES THAT GO? AND SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT IF WE DO A ONE CAR GARAGE AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THERE'S ALSO SIZE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT'S NOT SO TIGHT WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS A BIG SUV THAT THEY CAN HARDLY GET IN AND OUT LET ALONE STORE THOSE NECESSARY THINGS TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOUSE.

SO THERE'S A LOT THINGS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROPOSAL TO TO LOOK AT FOR SURE. YEAH, I WOULD READ THE BILL WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH I THI I TREND MORE TOWARDS A REDUCTION THAN A REMOVAL. I GET CONCERNED ABOUT REMOVAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MARKET DEMAND THING. WE SEE THE HOUSES OF MINNEAPOLIS GO WHETHER THEY HAVE A GARAGE OR NOT AND WHAT YOU END UP WITH AND THE THING DISLIKE THE MOST ABOUT URBAN MINNEAPOLIS IS HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT IS TO GET AROUND THE STREETS AND MAYBE OUR STREETS ARE PROBABLY WHITER THAN THEIRS ARE.

BUT IT'S JUST SUCH A PAIN. I HATE PARKING IN MINNEAPOLIS. IT IT'S A NIGHTMARE AND I I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY. I DON'T WANT THAT FEEL IN BLOOMINGTON AND SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A IF WE IF WE GO WITH A REDUCTION I THINK WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT IT AND RECOGNIZE MAYBE WE ONLY NEED ONE INSTEAD OF TWO OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT BUT I'M NOT READY TO GET RID OF IT. I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THE IN THE FEEL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON. I THINK I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE MOVE TO A POINT UNTIL THEY CAN GET AROUND AND PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR PARENTS HOUSE OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. UH UH IF MY THOUGHTS AND AGAIN I THINK AND I WOULD NOT WANT, YOU KNOW, THE MINNEAPOLIS SITUATION EITHER BUT I THINK IT LIKE SPEAKING FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYBODY HAS A ONE OR TWO CAR GARAGE. EVERYBODY PARKS OFF. THERE ARE ALMOST NOBODY PARKS ON THE STREET AND THAT STREET IS MUCH WIDER THAN MINNEAPOLIS STREET.

SO IT'S LIKE A IT'S LIKE A STATE HIGHWAY WITH AND I'M REALLY AMAZED WHEN YOU SEE AN AERIAL PHOTO JUST HOW MUCH OF BLOOMINGTON HAS TAKEN BY OURTREE AND THE WIDTH OF THE STREET. SO I'M NOT SURE WE'D HAVE QUITE THE SAME ISSUE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING HERE AND THERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE OFF STREET OR OFF STREET PARKING GARAGE GARAGE OR NOT OR ONE OR TWO GARAGES OR NOT BECAUSE OUR STREETS IN MOST PLACES ARE SO WIDE THAT WE COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. NOT THAT I'D NECESSARILY WANT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT AND NOT EVEN APPROACH WHAT THEY HAVE IN MINNEAPOLIS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE TODAY AND WE'RE NOT GOG TO PROBABLY SEE A MINNEAPOLIS TYPE OF SITUATION OF MORE PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET. THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN MINNEAPOLIS NEIGHBORHOODS AS MINNEAPOLIS NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SIDEWALKS. SO SOMEONE WHO IS A DOCK'S MY DOG ON A REGULAR BASIS WHEN I'M WALKING AROUND A CAR THAT'S PARKED ON A STREET, I AM NERVOUS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE WHAT'S AROUND ME.

SO YES, IT'S WIDE. IS IT NECESSARY MAKE ME FEEL PRETTY GOOD AS A PEDESTRIAN? NOT REALLY. I'D RATHER WALK ON THE SIDEWALK SO I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT TO T RIGHT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO AND THE WHAT TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU'VE ASKED WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENT IS WHETHER IT'S TO AND I SEE WE'RE TALKING FOR NOW DO I CARE IF THOSE TWO ARE IN A GARAGE OR NOT? NOT REALLY. AND I THINK ABOUT THE CUL DE SAC I LIVE IN FIVE HOMES, TWO OF THOSE HOMES CARS DON'T PARK IN THE GARAGE SO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM'S BEEN I THINK TEN TURNED INTO A MAN CAVE WHICH GREAT. AND THEY ENJOY IT BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WE REQUIRE THI TWO CARARAG IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR THAT. SO UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT PEOPLE PARK IN THE GARAGE WHICH WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN AGAIN NINETEEN SEVENTY WHATEVER BUT THEN TO THE STREET THING.

RIGHT OUR STREETS ARE WIDE. NOBODY WILL BE SURPRISED. YOU KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS WE KEEP REBUILDING OUR STREETS THE SAME WITH WE DON'T ADD ANY SIDEWALKS. YOU KNOW I WAS TELLING A FELLOW COMMISSIONER I WAS IN A DINER A MONTH OR SO AGO AND I FAIRLY TYPICAL STREET HAD BEEN SHRUNK AND SIDEWALK WAS PUT ON ONE SIDE PARKING IS LIMITED TO ONE SIDE NOW THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S SEEING TONS OTEAR DOWNS. BUT SO I THINK ABOUT IS IT IS IT TERRIBLE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT PARK ON A STREET? YOU KNOW, NO, CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT I OWN THE HOUSE AND TWO HOUSES IN MINNEAPOLIS WHERE YOU WE ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER IT'S IT'S A CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW. SIXTEEN YEAR OLD COULD LEARN TO DRIVE THAT WAY SOME TIME BUT YOU KNOW THE BULLET ON THE BOTTOM UP WE PROHIBIT ON STREET PARKING DURING SNOW EMERGENCIES THAT'S EASY TO POLICY TO FIX.

WE CAN GO TO ALTERNATE SIDE PARKING IT WE HAD TO OR IF WE SAY YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT TO KEEP SOME MOBILITY BUT WE ONLY ARE GOING TO ALLOWARKING ON ONE SIDE OF OUR STREET. I'M MAKING THIS UP BUT I THINK WE AGREE PROBABLY NOT ELIMINATE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE REDUCTION WHATEVER THAT REDUCED NUMBER HAS TO BE ENCLOSED OR NOT. >> I'M COMMANDER I'M SORRY. OK, REAL COMMISSIONER WHO CAME TO ME IS JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REMEMBERING OUR CODES TO ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE STORAGE OF JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T MEAN THESE THIS FAMILY MAY HAVE A POP UP CAMPER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO AS SOON AS YOU TALK ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SETBACKS AND ALL THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS IN BLOOMINGTON DO NOT HAVE THAT OPTION. SO JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S LOOKING FURTHER AHEAD BUT IT'S STUFF MAKING SURE THAT IF DEVELOPERS ARE DOING THIS OR FOLLOWING THE CODE AND WE'RE GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, I SUPPORT REDUCING AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING ENFORCING THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING FOR THAT CODE SITUATIONS. CHERYL LEWIS, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING AND I'M JUST GOING TO STRESS IT IS FLEXIBILITY NOT REMOVING THINGS BUT LOOKING AT REDUCING THINGS.

BUT I THINK IF THE CITY BECOMES CREATIVE AND FLEXIBLE THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING YOU KNOW, EACH SITUATION MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT WE'RE OPEN TO NEW THINGS AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE KEY FLEXIBILITY. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ONE TO LOOK AT AND MIGHT BE A GOOD SEGWAY INTO THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE FORESHADOW. UM, THIS IS UM AN OPTION IF THIS IS OUT THERE AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THIS IS RACINE, WISCONSIN. WE'RE THIS IS A VETERANS VILLAGE AND ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH HERE IS VERY KIND OF THEIR OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE ORGANIZATION THAT OPERATES THIS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS MAYBE TOO EXTREME FOR BLOOMINGTON BUT WE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE ARE AN OPTION YOU KNOW, ARE TINY HOMES. THEY'RE DETACHED. THEY'RE THEY'VE DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT YOU DO HAVE KIND OF COMMON SPACE AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR HAS AN OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT THERE THAT KIND OF SERVES IT WITH A PARKING LOT. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE AGAIN PROBABLY SMALLER THAN WE PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE IN BLOOMINGTON. BUT THAT OPTION YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NEW HOMES ARE ON FOUNDATIONS.

WE CAN CREATE KIND OF THAT MINIMUM STANDARD AND CREATE FIVE UNITS THAT TAKE UP MAYBE TWO TO LOTS OR A LOT THAT KIND OF FIT AND MEET THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING AND POTENTIALLY MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT CREATING THE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF KIND OF BOILS ALL THOSE SHOWS DOWN AND STUFF RIGHT THERE. OHLSSON WOULD WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT THE PICTURE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND AGAIN A LOT MORE VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE THAN EITHER. YEAH, AND I'LL TALK TO WANDELL HERE. YOU'LL PROBABLY REMEMBER HE'S CUT THAT MEMORY BUT YEAH, I MEAN BUT THESE ARE AND THIS IS IN OREGON BUT THESE WERE JUST TWO TT IUICKLY FOUND AND THOSE ARE WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE THESE ARE PRETTY TINY . THESE ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE PRETTY TIGHTLY IN THERE. SAME WITH THESE ARE SMALL BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BUT YOU KIND OF GET THAT IDEA. I MEAN THIS IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A LOT IN BLOOMINGTON YOU GET ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE ,TEN.

SO IMAGINE TWO OF THOSE PUT TOGETHER YOU GOT FIVE AND THEN IT'S MORE OF OF THAT FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT WHICH IS AKIN TO THE APARTMENT DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. SO UM WHAT A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT BE PERMITTED. UM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE NOW BUT WOULD IT BE PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IN OUR ONE RUN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS OR UM IS SUCH THING IS PERMITTED THEN WOULD IT COME BEFORE A COMMISSION AS A CONDITIONAL USE OR WOULD IT BE OUTRIGHT PERMITTED LIKE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND IT'S ALL IT'S CURRENTLY NOT PERMITTED FOR ONE IT'S HIGHER THAN OUR DENSITY GUIDELINES UNDER THE GUIDE PLAN BUT THEN YEAH, IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THAT OUR STANDARDS UM THE PARK AND STANDARD THE MINIMUM SIZE OF TEN FORTY YOU KNOW BUT MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL EITHER SOME SORT OF OVERLAY DISTRICT OR SOME SORT OF A REVIEW PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THAT YOU KNOW, THE SITE DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE AREA IS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE MAYBE INTERESTED IN PURSUING.

JOHN SILVER PLANNING COMMISSION I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AGAIN, UM LOCATIONS AT MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROLLED THROUGH UH CONDITIONAL USE RATHER THAN JUST PERMITTED. BUT AGAIN, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY LOOKING AT IT AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST AND I GO BACK TO THE THE APARTMENTS WE JUST APPROVED UH OVER ON THE EAST SIDE AND THERE'S A MARKET FOR SMALL AFFORDABLE LOCATIONS AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN, UM THAT THEY'RE I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T PUT THAT IS NEGATIVE OVER WHERE WE APPROVE OUT AT ALL. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED AREA SO. RIGHT.

AND SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN TT FR HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE YARD OUTSIDE VERSUS YOU HAVE TO BE BACKED UP EIGHT STORIES TALL IN ORDER TO GO IN THAT SIZE. AND CHERYL OSHA HRA HERE AGAIN I GO BACK TO THAT FLEXIBILITY AND CREATIVITY. YOU CAN SAY NO TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS UNTIL WE EXPLORE. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY TO LOOK INTO IT ESPECIALLY I THINK CLOSE LIKE TRANSIT WOULD BE REALLY YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GET A LOT OF MAYBE YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THAT APARTMENT AND THEY JUST WANT TO MAYBE START OUT AND SOMETHIN LIK THIS AND WHO KNOWS THEY MIGHT WANT TO STAY THERE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY WORTH EXPLORING. YEAH. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, UH, GENERAL AND UH, JERRY YOU'RE ASKING FOR WHETHER WE WANT YOU TO EXPLORE MORE AND WE'RE KIND OF DOING SOME OF THAT FOR YOU INCLUDED.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD AS A GENERALITY UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO BLUE CONSTRUCTION I THINK WAS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY UH APPROACHED ME WHEN I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL AND IT WAS AT THE TIME WHEN THE UH WHEN THAT UM UH UH MOBILE WHAT DO WE CALL THEM UH UM YEAH I WELL KNOW THE MOBILE HOME PARK. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S PRE 70S CALLED UH UM AND IT WAS OVER THERE KOFTA DIVINYLS KIND OF HIDDEN AWAY AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN COMING IN AND WITH THE IDEA OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE DOING SMALLER UNITS AND AND SO I THINK UH IF IN TERMS OF YOU EXPLORE I THINK WE NEED TO FIND ALSO WHAT WHAT PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY UH OUR OUR CONSTRUCTION FOR EXAMPLE PROBABLY IS STILL DOING IT AND IT MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT ARE ARE YOU KNOW, READY TO GO WITH PRETTY CONCRETE STUFF FOR YOU TO BRING TO US.

UH, MARK DORSON AGAIN, UM I'M INTRIGUED BY THAT CLUSTER CONCEPT MYSELF PERHAPS NOT AS SMALL AS THE ONES WE SAW THERE BUT THERE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE QUITE INTERESTE IN AT KIN OF A LIVING SITUATION. UM, I CAN SEE IT WORKING BEST WITH SOME SHARED AMENITIES SO MAYBE YOU HAVE A VERY SMALL HOME BUT THERE'S CENTRAL LAUNDRY OR MAYBE THERE'S AND I CAN ACTUALLY ENVISION IT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CRAZY FRIENDS WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT IT OURSELVES BUT YOU KNOW, SOME SMALLER HOMES BUT STILL FREESTANDING. YES. THEY ALL HAVE THE NORMAL THINGS KITCHEN, WHATEVER. BUT THERE MIGHT ALSO BE A COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT HAS A LAWN. WE MIGHT HAVE A COMMEIAL KITCHEN FOR SHARED MEALS IF THE YOU KNOW SO I VISION MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY COOPERATIVE KIND OF A THING. BUT I THINK THAT ANOTHER AGAIN IF YOU HAVE SHARED AMENITIES AND PERHAPS A PARKING AREA AND WORKOUT SPACE THEN YOU KNOW LIKE A CONDO EXCEPT YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL UNITS I THINK ACTUALLY THERE WOULD BE A MARKET FOR IT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE OPEN AND PREPARED SHOULD THE DEVELOPER COME AND PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE RESTRICTIONS? MR.

PALERMO, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BUT I'LL ASK WHERE ARE WE AT WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THIS IS THE BEGINNING SO THAT IS PART OF THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY KIND OF TALK TO SOME DEVELOPERS AND SAY WHAT DOES IN FACT HAVE AN IMPACT? YOU KNOW, WE SUSPECT IT WOULD. BUT DOES THIS CHANGE YOUR BOTTOM LINE AT ALL AND GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WELL AS THE CITY AS WELL? WE'RE TALKING SEAN AND I ARE GOING TO PROBABLY DO A LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON KIND OF HAVE THAT BROADER DISCUSSION AS WELL.

SO I WAS GOING TO TRY TO HOLD THIS UP. YEAH, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO PERTINENT TO HOLD ON TO I THINK WE NEED TO TREAD LIGHTLY HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIOR CAN CHANGE AND WE'RE FOCUSING TONIGHT ON OUR ONE YOU KNOW WE HAVE OTHER ZONES IN OUR CITY THAT ALLOW FOR DENSE DEVELOPMENT OR TWO OR THREE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR ONE THAT'S OUR LOWEST DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IF WE ALLOW A PERMITTED TO USE AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT LIKE THE DECISION POINT TONIGHT BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY ALLOWING A PERMITTED USE IN THE ONE THAT COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT FEEL CHANGES TO A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER NEXT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WE COULD RECEIVE I FEAR SIGNIFICANT RESIDENT PUSHBACK IF WE PERMITTED THIS USE WITHOUT EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

I THINK WE NEED TO TREAD LIGHTLY HERE. I'M NOT SAYING I'M AGREEING WITH IT, NOT AGREEING WITH IT BUT I WOULD NOT WANT THIS TO BE A THING WHERE WE'RE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW AND ON SIX I MEAN NOBODY'S WATCHING US AND IF WE BRING THIS ON PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT UNTIL A WEEK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHEN WE'VE GOT THIS CANNED AND READY TO GO THAT COULD BE EXPLOSIVE I FEAR FROM A RESIDENT PUSHBACK WHERE IF WE'RE ALLOWING PERMITTED USES IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENT PUSHBACK ON THAT. WE NEED TO TREAD LIGHTLY REMEMBERING WE HAVE OTHER ZONES THAT ALLOW FOR HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK WHEN YOU BUY A HOME AND A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ZONING COULD CHANGE BUT YOU HAVE A GENERAL EXPECTATION OF OF WHERE YOU'VE MOVED INTO AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND SO YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVE INTO AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY LIVE IN A PRETTY DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP AROUND ME.

IF I MOVE TO YOU RESOURCES SEASON ONE HUNDRED AND FIRST WHATEVER I'M NOT ANTICIPATING SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR ONE AND WE NEED TO REALLY WATCH IT WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXTENSIVELY BEFORE WE PROCEED TOO FAR WITH THIS STUFF. >> THANK YOU. ERIKA COLEMAN, HRA ADMINISTRATOR. I JUST WANT TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, REGARDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SO THIS HAS COME FORWARD NOT ONLY BY DEVELOPERS, BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BY COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND IT HAS BEEN THROUGH A LENS OF EQUITY RACIAL EQUITY AFFORDABILITY AND ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AND SO LOOKING AT FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONS, I WILL SAY YES, OF COUE W WOULD DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WOULD REALLY LOOK INTO THAT AND REALLY SEEK COMMENT AND PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

BUT THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD WHICH IS PART OF OUR STAFF GOT IT FROM ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE TO YOUR POINT BOTH AND OPEN TO BOTH ANSWERS WE MIGHT HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE A HUGE PERCENTAGE WANT THIS. MAYBE YOU PERCENT DON'T I DON'T KNOW I DON'T DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH. I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LETTING OUR COMMUNITY KNOW HEARING THEM AND AVOIDING POTENTIALLY VERY EXPLOSIVE INFORMATION. I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY OPEN MINDED ABOUT POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR CREATING MORE HOUSING. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU KNOW, I THINK GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE PROCESSES TO GO THROUGH. THERE WILL BE APPROPRIATE PLACES WHERE WE LOCATE THE VARIOUS KINDS OF HOUSING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE OPEN MINDED ABOUT THIS AND CONSIDER THESE KINDS OF OPTIONS. WE MAY TAKE THEM OFF THE TABLE. WE MAY FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT I JUST I THINK THE PURPOSE OF OUR BEING HERE TODAY IS TO IS TO TRY TO BE OPEN TO OPTIONS NOT JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. WE'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, I DETERMINED I THINK I'M JUST THINKING THAT IN TERMS OF MARKETING AND AND I DON'T WANT TO HAMMER THIS BUT THOSE PICTURES OF CLUSTER HOMES FOR TURN-OFF FOR ME. YEAH. OH WHERE DO YOU FIND THAT OUT THERE. AND SO YOU KNOW IN THE CITY HAS YOU BUSINESS AND THE CITY GET TOGETHER KIND OF THING IN THIS ROOM AND WHATNOT AND THAT TENDS TO BE KIND OF A FLEXCEL WORKING GROUP. BUT BUT I THINK IF IF IF YOU CONNECT WITH DEVELOPERS WHO DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN ASK THEM TO DO THE UH THE SKETCHES, WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS OR ACTUALLY EXAMPLES OF WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN BUILT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE CRITICAL BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY CORRECT IN THAT THAT THERE WILL BE PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE OF THE SPECIFICS IS WHAT'S IT DOING TO THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY AND YOU AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW YOUR COMMENT ABOUT WALKING A DOG OR WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF THING, ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO IMPACT FAR I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST I THINK ERE' GOING TO BE DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT COULD GET JUICED UP ABOUT THAT. YEAH, AND JUST YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS TO TALK TO DEVELOPERS AND PART OF THAT YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO APPROACH SOMEONE ABOUT THIS AND THEN A WEEK LATER SAY ALL PLANNING COMMISSION MANAGERS, THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED AT ALL. SO THIS WAS KIND OF IS THIS MEETING AND I'M GETTING SOME HEAD NODS. THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING SO THAT YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN TO GO TO THE PUBLIC.

WE HAVE MORE DETAILS, MORE YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST WHAT I GRAB FROM THE INTERNET. YEAH. YES. SO RIGHT. YEAH, WELL RIGHT. SO I DO GREAT WORK. I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND A SPECIFIC PROJECT AND I DO NOT REMEMBER WHO DID IT BUT IT WAS A COMBINATION OF BOTH. IT WAS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IN NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS AND THEY BUILT I THINK IT'S FIVE HOMES ON TWO LOTS BUT THEAYN WHICH THEY SITUATED IT ON THE LOT IT FEELS VERY SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. AND I SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A THERE'S A STEP APPROACH WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING 20 TOWNHOMES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY CANNOT HOMES THAT ARE CONNECTED ON ONE SINGLE LOT. YEP. SO I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE STARTING AND THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION TOO IS JUST YES.

CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT NOW NEXT WE GET INTO THOSE DETAI. THIS IS THEPECTRUM BECAUSE THERE IS LIKE WE'RE TALKING THERE'S A LARGE SPECTRUM IN WHICH THIS COULD BE AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TOO MUCH AND YEAH. YEAH. TO COMMISSIONER THORSON'S POINT, THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE HAVEN'T DECIDED STANDARDS. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ANY OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THIS IS INTEREST TRYING TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING EQUITY, THESE ARE PIECES THAT ALL CAN CONTRIBUTE TO IT. WHERE DO THEY FIT? WE DON'T KNOW. HOW DO THEY FIT? WE DON'T KNOW. UM BUT WE'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE. YEAH.

AND ONCE AGAIN,OU KNOW BESIDES ALL THE TECHNICAL PART THAT COMES WITH THIS WELL THE IMPACT THAT HE HAS IN COMMUNITIES DEPENDING OF WHAT YOU CHOOSE AND HOW IT HAS MADE THAT IMPACT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHETHER IT IS IN MINNESOTA OUTSIDE OF MINNESOTA, WHAT DOES IT MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE LIVING IN THOSE SPECIFIC HOMES? DOES IT MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT AND WHY OR WHAT ARE THE RISKS ALSO AND YOU KNOW ALL THIS SOCIOLOGICAL PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE DO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF RESEARCH TO REALLY MAKE DECISIONS OF WHICH WHICH DIRECTION WE SHOULD BE GOING IN OUR CITY SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SEAN NOW I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT ME TO TRY TO CURB THE PRESENTER HERE AND YEAH. I MEAN GRANTED THE CONOL ROOM I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE WEBEX BACK. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. I GO.

THANK YOU. FUN SEAN JAMES, ANOTHER ONE OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNERS HERE WITH MIKE AND OR TALK ABOUT IT USE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH HERE. SHARE MY SCREEN VIDEO AND YOU CAN MAKE IT FULL SCREEN AGAIN . OK, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND I GUESS FIRST YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLEXIBILITY. THAT'S A COMMON THEME AND IT USES ONE MORE WAY TO INTRODUCE FLEXIBILITY IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

SO WE ACTUALLY ALLOW IT USE ALREADY ORDINANCE WAS ADOED IN 29 AND WHAT'S ALLOWED IS THAT THEY'RE ATTACHED OR INTERNAL TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND SINCE THEN ONLY TWO EIGHT YEARS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE ANY HAVE BEEN BUILT ACTUALLY BUT TO HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT SEEMS TO COME UP WITH CITIES PERIODICALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE INTRODUCED A NEW ORDINANCE TO SHOW GREAT FLEXIBILITY OR REMOVE SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS. NO ONE WAS TO ALLOW LOTS THAT DON'T MEET THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO STILL HAVE AN EIGHTY YEARS OR SO OR NINE THOUSAND INSTEAD OF THE MINIMUM ELEVEN THOUSAND.

ANOTHER STAFF PROPOSAL WAS TO ALLOW LOTS THAT DON'T MEET OUR MINIMUM PARKING TO HAVE AN IDEA. HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT ADOPTED WITH THAT ORDINANCE COUNCIL WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT PROPOSAL AT THE TIME AND THEN ANOTHER AUSTMENT WAS THAT WAS PART OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO KIND OF REFRAME HOW WE TALK ABOUT 80 YEARS OF AND THE ORDINANCE WE ONLY ALLOW NATO TO BE THIRTY THREE PERCENT OF THE BUILDING FOR AREA AND SO BEFORE WE'RE CALCULATING THAT IS THE EIGHT YEARS AS PART OF THE THIRTY THREE PERCENT NOW WE DON'T JUST CREATE A LOT OF THAT EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY COULD AMOUNT TO.

UMO BACKING UP MORE BROADLY SOME OBJECTIVES FOR THIS PROJECT THAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED UM RETAINING THE SAME THEME THAT MIKE HAS AS MENTIONED NOW WE'RE CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN CREATING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES UM AND REALLY JUST TO EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR AGING IN PLACE. UM YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE WANT TO DOWNSIZE BUT STAY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS OR STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WELLS WORK LE CYCLE HOUSING BEING ABLE TO HOUSE NO IN-LAWS AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. UH, ANOTHER OBJECTIVE IS TO CREATE ALLOW PEOPLE TO CREATE A RENTAL SPACE ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR ADDITIONAL INCOME . YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S THE INCOME SUPPORT AND UPKEEP FOR THAT PROPERTY OR JUST TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN ANOTHER OBJECTIVE IS JUST TO CREATE MORE HOUSING UNITS, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE THAT FLEXIBILITY BUT STILL MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE IACTSHAT ASSOCIATED WITH, YOU KNOW, MORE UNITS, MORE PEOPLE UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCES ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED TODAY AND WHAT'S NOT SO NOW DETACHED EVEN IF IT'S A DETACHED GARAGE ,WE WOULDN'T ALLOW AN IMMEDIATE END TO BE ON THAT DETACHED STRUCTURE THAT'S ATTACHED AND IT'S GENERALLY ALLOWED THERE ARE A SET OF STANDARDS WE CAN TALK ABOUT NOW IF IT'S AN UPPER LEVEL INTERNAL OR LOWER LEVEL, THOSE ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED ONE CAVEAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SINGLE STORY HOUSE AND YOU WANT A BASEMENT DEAL WELL IF THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME FLOOR AREA AND THEN THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SMALLER.

SO THERE'S THAT NO ABOVE GARAGES IS A DASHED LINE THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROVISION THAT THE ADA YOU SHARE WALL SPACE WITH THE FOUR SEASON LIVING AREA AND SO IF YOU HAVE THIS A LOT OF OUR HOUSES ARE CONNECTED TO THE GARAGE BUT THEN IF YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER UNIT ABOVE THE GARAGE WELL THAT ADA YOU MIGHT NOT BE ATTACHED TO THE FORESE FOR SEASON LIVING AREA. THERE'S WAYS AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CREATE THAT INTERNAL WALKWAY BUT THEN YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PARK TWO CARS SO ALL THESE STANDARDS KIND OF P AGAIN EACH OTHE SIMILARLY WITH GARAGE CONVERSION NOW I DIDN'T CIRCLE THIS ONE TECHNICALLY YOU COULD CONVERT YOUR GARAGE INTO AN IDEA BUT THERE'S STILL THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TWO ENCLOSED SPACES. UH, LET'S SEE. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING WE ONLY HAVE THE TWO APPROVED ALMOST EVERYONE THAT COMES IN WITH UH WANTS TO DO AND THEY DO UM AS LONG AS IT'S ATTACHED THEY CAN PROBABLY DO WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OF TODAY WITHOUT HAVING IT BE NATO BECAUSE REALLY AS LONG AS WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE NATF A CHAIR IS AN INTERNAL CONNECTION TO THAT MAN LIVING AREA AND IT'S JUST SUBJECT FOR SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS FOR WE WOULD ONLY CONSIDER NATO IF IT'S COMPLETELY WALLED OFF FROM THAT SINGLE FAMILY AREA AND HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRYWAY.

>> SO NO CONCERNS BRADLEY CONGESTION WHETHER THAT MEANS OR PEOPLE MORE UNITS MORE YOU MORE CARS OUT ON THE STREET UH IMPACTS ARE REALLY MORE ON THOSE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. UM, AND THEN THERE'S CONCERNS TOO, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM IF THE UM NOW AIDOO BECOMES UH UNDERUSED OR YOU KNOW, LEFT ALONE, UM WOULD IT BE REUSED AND LIKE OFFIC SPACE OR SOME OTHER NONRESIDENTIAL USE OR JUST LEFT DILAPIDATED? I DON'T KNOW IF IDEAS HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO GET TO THAT POINT BUT IT'S A FUTURE CONCERN. UM BUT WE DO HAVE A LIST OF STANDARDS HERE THEN TO OFFSET THOSE CONCERNS AND I'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THEM HERE AND THAT COMMON BARRIERS WE FIND IT UH IN SPEAKING WITH OTHER CITIES A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO DO LIKE A DETACHED UNIT OR WHEN PEOPLE THINK IT IS THEY USUALLY THINK OF THE UNIT ABOVE A GARAGE UM OCCUPANTS THERE'S ANOTHER BARRIER SO YOU KNOW, BY ONLY ALLOWING TWO PEOPLE IN AN AREA YOU UH TODAY IT MEANS A COPPER WITHOUT KIDS OCCUPYING RADIO.

UM, OCCUPANCY IS UH IS A HOT TOPIC THAT COMES UP OFTEN A LOT OF CITIES ARE REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENT AND IT JUST MEANS THAT THE OWNER BE REQUIRED TO OCCUPY EITHER THE AREA OR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. UM, HASN'T COME UP AS MUCH IN BLOOMINGTON. >> WE DON'T HAVE MANY TO USE TO BEGIN. UM, I GET THE SENSE THAT IT'S MORE COMMON WITH DETACHED UNITS, PEOPLE WANTING TO RENT OUT BOTH OF THE DETACHED, UM STRUCTURES. BUT IT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH ATTACHED THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED IT AS OFTEN UM MINIMUM PARKING. SO THAT ONE WAS BROUGHT UP WITH A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. HOWEVER, PART OF THE COUNCIL'S COMMENTS AT THAT TIME WERE TO THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE A BROADER LOOK AT JUST OUR SINGLE FAMILY PARKING STANDARD ALTOGETHER AND NOT JUST CREATE FLEXIBILITY FOR 80 YEARS.

UM, THERE'S CONCERN TOO WITH UM PARKING AND THEN REALLY THE MAIN BARRIER WITH IT IS EVEN THE CITIES THAT ARE THE MOST FLEXIBLE WITH THEM. IT'S JUST THE COST OF CONSTRUCTING THEM. IT DETERS MOST PEOPLE I THINK SPEAKING WITH ONE ARCHITECT COMMENTED THAT YOU KNOW, OF ALL THEIR INQUIRIES ONLY ABOUT FIVE PERCENT END UP BEING CONSTRUCTED JUST BECAUSE OF THE REALIZE THE COST IS TOO MUCH IN THE END. UM, DO YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON PARKING QUITE SO WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR A USE BUT WE REQUIRE THOSE FOUR SPACES AS MIKE MENTIONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT DON'T MEET THIS REQUIREMENTS ROUGHLY AROUND 10 PERCENT ARE YOU CAN SEE THEM DOTTED HERE IN ORANGE UM, A LOT OF THESE HOUSES WERE JUST BUILT BEFORE THE STANDARD WAS IN PLACE AND THEY HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE AND SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A REALLY BIG DRIVEWAY FROM FOR CARS BUT UH ,THAT ONE CAR GARAGE DSN'T MEET OUR STANDARD AND SO IN ADA YOU COULDN'T GO THERE.

UM SO IT'S TOUGH TO TALK ABOUT COST IF YOU GOOGLE ADA YOU FIND A PICTURE LIKE THIS YOU KNOW THERE ARE LUXURY UNITS AND THERE ARE NEW BUILDS AND AND FRANKLY THEY'RE QUITE EXPENSIVE. UM, IF YOU GOOGLE PASSED ON EIGHTY YEARS YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND A WHOLE RANGE OF PEOPLE DOING IT FOR JUST A FEW THOUSAND. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW WHAT'S THERE TODAY IF IT'S JUST A SIMPLE RENOVATION OR NOT AND UM A LOT OF CITIES LIKE US WE REQUIRE TO BE A DWELLING UNITS. WE WANT A KITCHEN ON A BATH BUT IT'S GOT TO BE FULLY CONNECTED TO UTILITIES TO SUPPORT ITSELF AND SO THAT ADDS UP ESPECIALLY UTILITIES. UM, AND REALLY IF IT'S DETACHED THERE'S USUALLY A GREATER COST.

UM, THAT MEANS FURTHER CONNECTING THOSE UTILITY. SO BACK TO THE SLIDE LISTING THE STANDARDS HERE AND I WANT TO GO MORE IN DEPTH ON OCCUPANCY AND BEDROOM ON THAT AS WELL AS WHAT DETACHED LOOKS LIKE. UH AND I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT IN A WORD ALLOWING DETACHED TO HELP US MEET OUR OBJECTIVES AND WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CONCERNS WOULD BE SO YOU KNOW, WOULD IT HELP US INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? UM, I CAN'T QUITE PUT A POSITIVE YOU KNOW, THE QUITE EXPENSE DON'T NO O COULD BE MADE INTO AN AFFORDABLE UNIT IN AND OF ITSELF. UM, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT. BUT AS MIKE MENTIONED THAT HELP INCREASE SUPPLY. I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY IT'S IT'S REALLY ABOUT FLEXIBILITY. SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A HOUSE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOUR IN-LAWS, YOU THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THEIR OWN HOUSE IN THE AREA AND THIS IS AN EASY OPTION FOR THEM AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT WANT, UH, NATO AND SO ARE THEY MORE AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT PERCENT RMI IF THEY COULD OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAYBE MAYBE NOT.

SOMETIMES IT OFFERS A MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAN BUYING A WHOLE OTHER HOUSE. UM, YEAH, I MENTIONED SURE THEY CAN HELP EXPAND AGING PLACE AND LIFECYCLE HOUSING A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU THEY'RE GOING TO HOUSE THEIR IN-LAWS. THEY STILL WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DETACHED SPACE NOT MAINTAIN SEPARE LIFESTYLE BUT NEARBY UM SAME SAME ISSUE WITH RENTAL SPACE, YOU KNOW, DETACHED IS A LITTLE MORE FAVORABLE AND THEN NEGATIVE IMPACTS WILL TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE HERE MORE IN DETAIL.

NO, IT'S COME UP IN THE PAST WITH THESE LONGER LOTS THAT WE HAVE NOW THERE'S CONCERN THAT SOMEONE MIGHT PLACE AN IDEAL WAY IN THE BACK OF ONE OF THESE TO HAVE A BIT CLOSER TO THEIR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS A LOT THAN THEIR OWN HOUSE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY STANDARDS WE COULD OK AT TO PREVENT THAT. BUT NO MORE OFTEN THAN NOT JUST THE COST OF DOING THAT EXTENDING THE UTILITIES OUT THAT FAR IT WOULD BE QUITE PRICEY AND I'M NOT SURE IT EVEN BE FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS AND THEN ANOTHER ON THAT COMES UP OFTEN AS YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WAS TO PUT AN 80 OR ABOVE GARAGE NOW, WHAT SORT OF IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THE NEIGHBOR MIGHT YOU KNOW AND THIS THIS PICTURE IS IT'S A GOOD DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT TH IMPT LOOKS LIKE.

HOWEVER, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING TO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE HARDSTAND IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS MAYBE A COUPLE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE BUT WE WOULD REQUIRE RIGHT NOW IN OUR CODE WE REQUIRE ANY LIVING AREA TO BE TEN FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINES AND THEN EVEN AT TEN FEET IT CAN ONLY GO TWENTY FOUR FEET TALL. SO WE ALREADY LIMIT HEIGHT FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS TODAY TO YOU ABOVE YOUR GARAGE THEN MIGHT NOT BE ALL THAT MORE IMPACTFUL AND THEN THE OCCUPANCY BEDROOM LIMITS TO NOW. SURE IF YOU ALLOW MORE PEOPLE IN HAITI YOU THERE'S MORE PEOPLE TO PAY FOR IT SO IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE UM WITH THE EXPANDING AGE IN PLACE OR LIFECYCLE HOUSING I THINK IT'S IT'S IF YOU REMOVE THE OCCUPANCY LIMIT IT WOULD JUST INTRODUCE MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DOWNSIZE IF YOU HAVE KIDS SOMEWHERE BUT YOU WANT TO HANG ON TO THE OPTION THAT YOU COULD HOUSE THEM FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEDAY, IT JUST INCREASES MORE OPTIONS TO DO THAT.

MAKE USE OF YOUR DWELLING AREA AND THEN SAME WITH THE RENTAL SPACE. SO CERTAINLY IF YOU IF YOU CAN HAVE MORE OCCUPANCY, MORE BEDROOMS, YOU CAN MAKE MORE INCOME UM NEGATIVE IMPACTS YOU KNOW A LOT OF THOSE WOULD BE ASSOATED WH MORE PEOPLE ON A LOT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS WE REALLY DON'T REGULATE PEOPLE PER LOT. IT'S MORE YOU KNOW, SIZE A BEDROOM REGULATIONS ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING STANDARD AND UNTIL AFTER THE ADA YOU SAY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY IF WE WERE TO REMOVE OCCUPANCY BEDROOM LIMITS ON THE RIGHT DOES PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE . SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR ANY NEW BUILDS AND UM I'M REALLY LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS UH A THREE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT AREA WHICH IS OUR MINIMUM SIZE.

WE REALLY COULD ONLY FIT TO PEOPLE IN THAT ANYWAY. BUT SOME OF THE LARGER AREAS YOU COULD FIT A FEW MORE IN IF NOT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE . SO GREAT CITY COMPARISON SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T ALLOW YOU TO USE ALTOGETHER. RICHFIELD ALLOWS DETACHED EIGHT YEARS IF THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH A GARAGE. I KNOW BURNSVILLE WAS ONE OF THE CITIES RECENTLY UPDATED THEIR STANDARDS SO THEY USED TO ONLY ALLOW DETACHED IF IT WAS A LOT WITH UH AT LEAST AN ACRE LOT ONE ACRE AND NOW THEY JUST ALLOW THEM REGARDLESS OF SIZE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LIMIT ON OCCUPANCY BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE TWO BEDROOM LINNETT AND THEN EGEN STANDARDS UM CLOSELY MATCH OURS WITH THAT REGARD. UM SO NOT MIKE MENTIONED YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING FOR ONGOING STUDY MEETINGS UM BUT I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT IS THE NEXT STEP AND GET THE BROADER RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE ON THESE ESPECIALLY THE DETACHED AND LET'S TALK FROM PROVIDES A GREAT AVENUE TO DO THAT ONLINE ANYWAY WE'LL HAVE TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT IN PERSON AS THIS PROJECT MOVES ON SO I FOCUSED MOSTLY ON SHORT DETACHED IDEAS BELOW SHOULD THOSE OCCUPANCY LIMITS BE REMOVED THEN? NO, THIS IS EARLY IN THE PROJECT.

SHOULD WE LOOK AT ANY OTHER FLEXIBILITY OR STANDARDS? UM, WITH REGARD TO IDEAS OR WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO SINCE BURNSVILLE PAST THERE DETACHED ADOS HAVE THEY HAD ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP BECAUSE OF THAT? I'M NOT SURE YET. I NOTICE THAT THE OTHER DAY THAT I RECENTLY HAD A CHANGE FOR ORDINANCE AND SO I THINK THEY CHANGED BECAUSE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WANTED A DETACHED UNIT BUT I'M NOT SURE MANY HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED SINCE I ASK BECAUSE I WONDER IF IT REALLY IS GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE IF THERE'S NOT REALLY AN APPETITE FOR IDEAS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A LOW PRIORITY IN MY MY OPINION.

UH, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION AND I THINK TIME SHOULD BE SPENT ELSEWHERE. I THINK TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE AN EIGHTY YOU IT'S USUALLY HOUSING, YOU KNOW, YOUR IN-LAWS OR YOUR KIDS, YOU KNOW THAT'S I THINK WE SEE A LOT OF IT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY CREATING A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I THINK WE SHOULD SPEND OUR TIME ELSEWHERE RIGHT. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. I THINK. MM. A QUESTION MORE ON THE COMMENT ONE WOULD WE ALLOW THIS WITH DUPLEXES. UM AGAIN MY EXPERTIZE GOING BACK TO MINNEAPOLIS AND I DON'T SEE AS THE CITY COMPARISONS MINNEAPOLIS IS LISTED I WORKED ON OUR EIGHTY YOU OVER THERE AND THE OUTREACH AS WELL WITH MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE PLANNERS SO WE DID HAVE A LOT ENGAGEMENTS OVER IN THAT PART.

OBVIOUSLY MINNEAPOLIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN CHARACTER TO BLOOMINGTON. UM BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY AND THE GROWTH IN RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING AND AFFORDABILITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, I DEFINITELY DO THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW I THINK IF RESIDENTS WHO POSSIBLY HAVE THE CAPACITY ON THEIR LOTS AND FINANCIAL CAPABITIE IF THEY'R EDUCATED ENOUGH AND AWARE OF THIS RESOURCE, I'M SURE THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT AS A REVENUE FOR RESOURCE REVENUE BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR MORE RESIDENTS ON THE LOT. I DO THINK SOME GOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES SHOULD EXIST. I DO THINK A DETACHED OPTION SHOULD EXIST AND YOU KNOW, THE THREE OPTIONS WERE ATTACHED DETACHED AND INTERIOR AND A LOT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT I'VE SEEN MIGHT NOT HAVE BASEMENTS OR IF THEY DO HAVE A BASEMENT THEN WHAT IS TS SQUARE FOOTAGE LOOK LIKE IF THERE IS LIMITATIONS? UM, ONE THING THAT WAS REALLY A HOT TOPIC IN MINNEAPOLIS WAS OBVIOUSLY THE OCCUPANT THE OWNER LIVING IN ONE OF THE UNITS. OTHERWISE IT BECOMES LIKE A TYPICAL RENTAL AND IF THE OWNER LIVES ON THE PROPERTY THEN THE CARE THAT THE PROPERTY YOU PROVIDE DIFFERENT CARE IF YOU LIVE ON THE PROPERTY IN ANY OF THE UNITS IT'S DIFFERENT.

YOU MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY BETTER THAN A A LANDLORD WOULD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY BIG DEAL OVER MINAPOLIS IN TERMS OF CONVERSATIONS AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED BUT WE ARE ALLOWING THOSE WITH DUPLEXES NOW AND OBVIOUSLY WE GOT RID OF SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS ALL TOGETHER. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING FOR DENSITIES AND WE ARE NOW CONSIDERING DENSITIES AND REDUCING SINGLE LOTS A LOT AREAS IN OUR ONE DISTRICT THEN WHY NOT ALSO ALLOW TO USE O OH YES OF ADMINISTRATOR COLEMAN. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER ABDEH IN MINNEAPOLIS. I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND ASK IF YOU HAD A DUPLEX IF IT WASN'T A DUPLEX ZONING AND THE OWNER WAS GOING TO LIVE ON SITE, THEN YOU WERE ELIGIBLE TO MAKE A TRIPLEX AND THAT UNIT COUNTED AS A NEW UNIT IN MINNEAPOLIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BUT WE WOULD AT THE TIME WE WERE DEFINITELY STAYING AWAY FROM THE TERM TRIPLEX BUT IT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE A THIRD UNIT SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER AND SQUARE FOOTAGE GENERALLY. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DETACHED FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE ONLY ONE BEDROOM WITH CERTAIN LIMIT IN TERMS OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT LIVING SPACE. BUT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THREE UNITS ON THE LAND THE OWNER LIVES IN ONE OF THE UNITS RENTS OUT THE TWO LARGER UNITS BRINGS INCOME BUT ALSO PROVIDES AFFORDABILITY AND MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW THE CHARACTER AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MAINTAINED THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR IF YOU'RE DOING AN ADDITION TO THE GARAGE AS PART OF THE LARGER SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN GENERAL. BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE ONE OF THOSE LONGER LOTS THAT YOU SHOWED IF THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING WAY BACK IN THE IF YOU'RE TALKING IT WAY BACK THEN YOU CAN REQUIRE SETBACKS . YOU KNOW YOU CAN REQUIRE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW HOW MANY WINDOWS THEY CAN HAVE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE BIG DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER IN SIZE AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING THEN MINNEAPOLIS DID NOT. UH OH YES COMMISSIONER. ALSO THANK YOU. UM HEY JERRY JONATHAN I TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I'D LIKE IT TO BE EXPLORED MORE. I WOULD GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND I'M THINKING OF UH, TWO SITUATIONS ONE IN DULUTH AS A YOUTH DIRECTOR AND ONE OF THE UM FAMILY THAT WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM HAD WHAT THEY CALLED UM MOTHER IN LAW.

UM REMEMBER WHATEVER UM AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO UH COUNSEL SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN HEAR IT IN HER VOICE. SHE WANTED TO HAVE HER MOM I THINK IT WAS DAD CLOSE BY WHERE THEY COULD COULD HELP ME BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER AND SOMETIMES IT IS BOTH WAYS UH, TAKING CARE OF YOUNG KIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND UH, IN MY OWN CASE I UH I CURRENTLY LIVE IN UM IN A CO-OP BUT I USED TO LIVE ON SECOND AVENUE AND UH IT WAS A PRETTY LARGE LOT BUT WE ADDED A FOURTEEN BY SIXTEEN ROOM INCLUDING THE BASEMENT BELOW IT AND THAT THAT'S ADEQUATE FOR HAVING A SMALL KITCHEN IN THE BATHROOM AND THAT KIND OF STUFF AND IT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY I MEAN IT WAS VIRTUALLY NO CHANGE IN THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT ISSUE IN TERMS OF SELLING THESE KINDS OF THINGS TO THAT . SO UM,T IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MAYBE THERE'S KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BUT I THINK IF WE MOVE INTO THIS THOUGHTFULLY AND WE HAVE PROPOSALS AND WE LOOK AT IT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THIS IN TERMS OF STANDARDS AND CODES AND WHATNOT, BUT WE HAVE SOME EXPERIMENTING BY SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH LIKE THAT WOMAN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, AND IN THEIR PARTICULAR CASE ADDING ON A FOURTEEN BY SIXTEEN LIKE I DID UM UH WOULD BE A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE THING.

I THINK I COST SIXTEEN THOUSAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR MORE LIKE THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND OR SOMETHING BUT NOT ONE HUNDRED AND TWO HUNDRED AND AND SO UM I THINK THAT IT COULD HELP A LOT OF FAMILY SITUATION AND AND IN TERMS OF RENTING OUT TO FRIENDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I MEAN THAT MAYBE GETS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT UH AND WE RECENTLY HAD A YOUNGER UM UH PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE OR YOU GOT AN EXTRA EDUCATION AND COULDN'T GET A JOB SO WE'VE HAD MULTIGENERATIONAL WITH TWENTY SOMETHINGS OR WHATEVER AND THEY'RE FORTY FIFTY SOMETHING PARENTS. SO I THINK AND MAYBE MAYBE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY IF YOU END UP HAVING A TALK ABOUT LIFESTYLE DIFFERENCES UM UH YOU CAN SHUT THE DOOR AND INFLATED WALLS OR WHATEVER I WOULD SAY JUST DETECT THROUGH THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE HERE UH DETACHED I THINK YES.

ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ABOVE GROUND. WE HAVE A LOT TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ABOVE GROUND. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHUNKS OF THE CITY WHERE THE GARAGES ARE NOT ATTACHED AND I THINK THE SHARED WALL ROLE IS NOT REALLY HELPFUL. LIMITS ON OCCUPANCY MOVED. I THINK THAT'S FINE. NUMBER OF BEDROOMS UH, IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE AN 80 I THINK TWO IS PROBABLY PLENTY. THE QUESTION ABOUT LEGALLY NONCONFORMING PARKING THAT GOES BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT PARKING. SO IF OUR IF OUR STANDARD GOES OM TWO GARAGE STALLS DOWN TO PERHAPS TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES THAT ALL OF THOSE DOTS PROBABLY ALMOST ALL OF THEM SUDDENLY BECOME CONFORMING. SO IF WE SOLVE OUR PARKING REGULATION WE SOLVE THE PARKING QUESTION FOR THAT AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE PROPORTION QUESTION BECAUSE I GUESS AGAIN ESPECIALLY FOR MAYBE A LOWER LEVEL UNIT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FINE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO RENT AT A LOWER LEVEL AND MAYBE IT'S EQUAL TO THE UPPER LEVEL AND AGAIN AGING IN PLACE AND WHATEVER THAT IS. SO THAT'S IN THE OTHERS. BUT TO THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK, THOSE ARE SE THOUGHTS. WHAT A RENTAL LICENSE BE REQUIRED AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE LEASING IT BUT IF YOU HAVE MULTIGENERATIONAL PURPOSES SHOULD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LIKE A SECOND OR THIRD UNIT DEPENDING ON WHICH IF A SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX IF WE'RE ALLOWING THAT WOULD WE ALLOW WOULD REQUIRE I SHOULD SAY LICENSES REGARDLESS OF WHO'S OCCUPYING THAT SPACE.

WE DO IT NOW BUT IF YOU'RE RELATED YOU WOULDN'T THIS IS KIND OF AOINT WE I DON THINK WE BROUGHT UP BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE COUNTER AND ARE ASKING ABOUT 80 YEARS FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEY FIND OUT OH, I COULD JUST HAVE MY FAMILY MEMBERS LIVE WITH ME, I DON'T NEED TO GET AN 82 THEN YOU KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S SATISFACTORY. SO IT'S ADDING THAT EXTRA SEPARATION AND ONLY WHEN IT BECOMES I BELIEVE A RENTAL THEN IT REQUIRES THAT RENTAL LICENSE. YES, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. I THINK IT IS WORTH I AGREE WITH THE DETACHED BEING ALLOWED. I THINK ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS I THINK WE'RE GOING A LOT MORE MULTIGENERATIONAL AND I THINK CULTURALLY TOO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER CULTURES AND HOW THEY LIVE AND THEY DO LIVE MULTIGENERATIONAL.

AND I THINK THAT BY NOT ALLOWING THAT WE'RE KIND OF JUST SERVICING THEM IN OUR CITY. SO IF WE WANT TO WELCOME ALL I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS A LITTLE FURTHER. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH DETACHED. I THINK THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS CAN BE REMOVED. I THINK THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IS PRETTY PRETTY. I THINK IT'S OK. I THINK I THINK MAYBE DEPENDING ON SITUATIONAL I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO YOU WORK WITH THAT AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REAL REASON IS AND THEN YOU KNOW, JUST WITH PARKING AND THINGS WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT AND BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE OPEN TO BECAUSE I SEE IT A LOT MORE I SEE A LOT MORE MULTIGENERATIONAL JUST WITH WHERE THIS ARE GNG SO THANK YOU.

BUT JOHN SJOBERGROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS DETACHED EASY TO USE I THINK THAT'S A IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION. UH, FOLKS CAN LOOK AT IT. I MEAN IT AFFORDABILITY I MEAN WHO KNOWS THAT'S A QUESTION FROM ONE STANDPOINT BUT I THINK LIFE-CYCLE HOUSING UM AND HAVING THAT ABILITY TO BUILD ON UH, A SPACE THAT MAYBE FUTURE ON HOMEOWNERS COD CVERT TO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT MY OLD NEIGHBOR WOULD LOVE TO LIVE WITH HER DAUGHTER BUT SHE REALLY, REALLY LIKES HER INDEPENDENCE SO SHE'S NINETY SIX YEARS OLD, STILL LIVING IN HER HOUSE BUT THAT OPENS UP A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 50S THAT HOPEFULLY A NEW FAMILY COULD COULD AFFORD TO MOVE INTO.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PIECE LIMIT ON OCCUPANT'S I THINK THAT'S SELF POLICING AND IT'S IN ITS OWN RIGHT NUMR OF BEDROOMS I THINK IN SOME WAYS MAYBE THAT WOULD BE PROPORTIONAL TO THE SIZE OF HOUSE. I MEAN YOU WENT THROUGH THE UH THE NUMBERS I THINK ON OUR HOUSES WHAT SINGLE CAR GARAGES WE MUST KNOW THE NUMBER THAT HAVE THREE BEDROOM HOMES AS LONG AS IT WERE LESS OR ONE THIRD LESS OR SOMETHING UM FLEXIBILITY UH OF OTHER TO USE ONE OF THE THINGS UH THINKING ABOUT AND YOU MENTIONED IT WAS JUST MAYBE AGAIN COMMISSIONER ROHMAN IS BASEMENT.

YEAH. TO ME THAT'S A NO BRAINER OR AN UPSTAIRS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO WHEN IT COMES DETACHED MAYBE THAT'S WHERE SOME PROPORTIONALITY COMES IN AND I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT A THOUSAND NINETY SIX SQUARE FEET UH UH COMMISSIONER THORSON WAS THAT CORRECT THOUSAND WAS SIX SQUARE FEET ON MY HOME. YES. YEAH. SO AND A TYPICAL BLOOMINGTON TWO CAR GARAGE TWENTY BY TWENTY OR THEREABOUTS HE'S AT FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE FEET THAT THIRTY THREE PERCENT JUST IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE AN ADDITION ON THE BACK SIDE OR ON THE TOP IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE DOES NOT COMPUTE. UM AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED MIKE WAS JUST REALLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT I THINK THESE DWELLING UNITS COULDN'T BE WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF A PROPERTY LINE.

UM, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT IT LIKE MY OLD GARAGE WAS FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE SO THEREFORE YOU'RE ALREADY TAKING THAT NUMBER OF HOUSES OFF OF OR POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS FLEXIBILITY FROM THE ROLLS IF YOU DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE NO CLOSER THEN OR THAT SORT OF THING THAN EXISTING PROPERTY OR FACILITIES. UH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. JUST TALKING ABOUT YOU STORIES. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM ON THE EAST END OF TOWN. YOU KNOW, FARM HOMES OR WHATEVER AND I'M FLASHING BACK ALSO TO STUDY. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT I THINK THAT FORESHADOWING AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT INTO THIS IF WE END UP GOING YOU KNOW AND AND NOT NOT TO MCMANSION KIND OF THING. I MEAN THE FEAR THAT HAPPENED WITH THAT WAS I THINK AS MUCH MASSIVENESS OF IT ALL BUT BUT ALSO SHADOWING AND THINGS LIKE THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. I BELIEVE AND NOTICE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE JUST GOING AND I THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER ORDER. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. MR. SOMETHING THAT I'VE NOTICED IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING THIS DIRECTION OF HOUSING AND YOU KNOW, HOUSING OPPOUNITIES AND CHANGING OUR DE , INOW CITY PROGRAMS IS NOT A PART OF A CONVERSATION THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU ENCOURAGE CREATING SOMETHING DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN IT WOULD HAPPEN. ARE THERE PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY IS ALSO CONSIDERING IN ADDITION TO THE OPPORTUNITIES IN LAND USE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW WHAT'S ON THE MENU IS THE COUNCIL UP TO, YOU KNOW, HELPING FUND YOU KNOW, ARE THERE LOANS, GRANTS TO ENCOURAGE SUPPORT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE? I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BRING INTEREST FROM RESIDENTS TO LOOK INTO AND SAY THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO OROW ELSE CAN I DO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE USELESS IF FOLKS ARE NOT ABLE TO UTILIZE OR CREATE THESE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IF THEY'RE NOT JUST AFFORBLE OR DOABLE, I SHOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. YEAH, UM, ANOTHER IDEA FIRST IN THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SO I LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON FOR A LONG TIME WAS MAJOR IN THE CITY PLANNING UH WHAT WAS INITIALLY CALLED AND WHAT'S NOW CALLED S AND AND THE MALL OF AMERICA. AND SO I THINK THERE ANOTHER RESOURCE YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW ABOUT I MEAN YOU INTERACT WITH THEM AND SO IT MIGHT BE THAT UH THAT UH ENGAGING THEM UH MIGHT GIVE SOME FREE SUPPORT FOR YOU DOING WHAT YOU DO ON THE STAFF TIME UH AND MAYBE ALSO FROM CONNECTING TO MONEY I DON'T KNOW UH I'M TOTALLY DONE NOW. COMMISSIONER ALSTON, YOU SAY THAT AT OUR MEETINGS ALL UM COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER LEWIS UM I JUST WANTED TO SAY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I JUST THOUGHT AS WE WERE DOING THIS DISCUSSION I THOUGHT OF THE LAST YEAR GOING THROUGH A COVID AND HOW WE WERE SO A LOT OF US WE SEPARATED FM R FAMILIES AND I JUST THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND LOOKING AT THE DATA USING THAT KIND OF THING, THERE MAYE MORE INTEREST OUT THERE NOW I KNOW I AM CLOSER TO MY FAMILY NOW NOW THAT WE CAN GET TOGETHER AGAIN AND PEOPLE MAY WANT TO BRING THEIR FAMILY CLOSER AND OLDER RELATIVE OR BRING THE KIDS HOME.

I KNOW A LOT OF KIDS PROBABLY DID COME HOME AND HAD TO SLEEP IN THE BASEMENT FOR A YEAR. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO EXPLORE THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BRING FAMILY HOME. SO YEAH, GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT. OK, GOOD. YEAH I THINK I GOT A DIRECTION THAT THANK YOU YOU KNOW THAT AND I THINK MIKE MIGHT HAVE A FEW MORE SO YEAH WELL MAYBE RUNNING KIND OF LOW ON TIME I THINK FOR ONE MY COMPUTER IS TEN PERCENT AND IT'S ALREADY NINE O'CLOCK SO I MEAN I THINK THIS IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH GLEN MAYBE WE BRING THIS UP AT ANOTHER STUDY SESSION AND MAYBE IT'S CONCURRENT OR MAYBE 'S SARATEUT THIS IS ME ABOUT THE THINGS THAT STAFF IT'S OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY SO THE THINGS THAT ARE TAKING US A LOT OF TIME AND WHAT REWARD ARE WE GETTING? YOU KNOW, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON PREVAILING A LOT WITH CALCULATING THINGS LIKE PLOT OR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OR SET PREVAILING SETBACKS AND HOW OFTEN ARE THEY REALLY PREVENTING SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED.

BUT WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN MORE DETAIL. ANOTHER STUDY SESSION THAT WORKS I THINK YOU WOULD GET AHEAD GENERALLY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN YOU KNOW, AND THOSE MATTERS NOT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. WELL, NOT THAT NOT BUT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE BUDGETS ARE ONE THING AND PROVIDING THE BEST VALUE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'D BE LOOKING FOR. SO ALL RIGHT. UH, CHAIRLADY DO YOU HAVE TO CONCLUDE YOUR MEETING OR. WELL I DO BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATED THIS OPPORTUNITY TOOLLARATE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY. UM WHEN WE STARTED I WASN'T SURE IT WAS LIKE ARE WE GOING TO BE HERE ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A CUT OFF OF ELEVEN THAT LAST YEAR SO YEAH.

BUT IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT AND I DO HAVE TO CLOSE THE MEETING OUR MEETING. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING SO MOVED COMMISSIONERS LSON HAS MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND IS NOT TALKING TO MR. OLSON THIS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLSON. SO IT HAD BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER THORESON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OLSON THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. ADMINISTRATOR COLEMAN, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE POHANG I LEWIS I OLSON I DORSON I MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THANK YOU HRR FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. FOR PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE UH, TWO ISSUES UH TWO ITEMS STILL LEFT ON OUR AGENDA FIRST ONE BEING SEPTEMBER TWENTY THIRD TWENTY TWENTY ONE MEETING SYNOPSIS. I'LL GIVE HRA A MOMENT TO THE EXIT THE ROOM AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE ALL RIGHT.

PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE UH THE SEPTEMBER TWENTY THIRD TWENTY TWENTY ONE PLANNING COMMISSION SYNOPSIS IN FRONT OF US FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION ON THIS WHEN COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ABSENT THAT NIGHT WERE COMMISSIONER KORMANN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN AND COMMISSIONER ABDEH THE REST OF US WERE IN ATTENDANCE AND AT THIS POINT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SEPTEMBER TWENTY THIRD TWENTY TWENTY ONE PLAN AND I MOVED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MOTION IS THERE A SECOND SECOND ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER TWENTY THIRD TWENTY TWENTY ONE PLANNING COMMISSION SYNOPSIS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AT CNN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I ALL THOSE ABSTAINING SAY I AND ANY AGAINST THE MOTION SAMSUN ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASSES I KNOW THE NAMES WE GOOD. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS REALLY PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATES MR. MARKERT. SURE MR. CHAIRMAN. QUICK LOOK AHEAD UPCOMING MEETINGS NOVEMBER 18TH, SIR. NEXT MEETING ON THAT AGENDA WE HAVE THE REVIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ACTUALLY LET ME BACK UP NOVEMBER 4TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING. WE HAD THAT MEETING UH, WE HAVE OUR THREE TRANSPORTATION ITEMS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND THEN WE DID ADD AN IM FOR ADOPTION OF YEAR TWENTY TWENTY TWO MEETING SCHEDULE. SO PACKAGES CAME OUT TODAY YOU HAVE THAT AND THEN TWO WEEKS BEYOND THAT NOVEMBER 18TH AGAIN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THEN CONTINUED THE SOUTHTOWN REDEVELOPMENT ITEM TO THAT MEETING AS WELL THAT'S ON THAT AGENDA AND THEN LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT DECEMBER 2ND SO FAR WE HAVE PRIVATELY INITIATED CODE AMENDMENTS RELATED TO PANDEMIC TESTING FACILITIES.

WE HAVE OUR MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE AND THAT AGENDA AND THEN POTENTIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL LIVABILITY STANDARDS THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MICROGRID. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MARK OR ANY NEW ITEMS YOU'D LIKE, UH, TO BRING TO THE REST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO STAFF'S ATTENTION NOT SEEING ANY UH THAT WOULD CONCLUDE O LAST ITEM FOR THI OCTOBER TWENTY EIGHT TWENTY TWENTY ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND WITH THAT WE'LL ADJOURN OUR MEETING TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU ALL.

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